View Poll Results: m9 vs 9"
m9
35
58.33%
9"
25
41.67%
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m9 vs 9"
Basically the 9" is 2,250.00 with 35 spline/spool/street gear/nodular section.
The M9 is 3,025.00 with the same thing plus a torque arm which is a difference of 775.00
If you have a torque arm you're paying 775.00 extra, if you don't have a torque arm it's not that bad of a deal because a quality torque arm like madman's setup will cost you about 700.00, which is a 75.00 difference and you factor in the lighter fabricated housing, you're really only paying 75.00 for a housing upgrade.
However like a few people have said it may not be legal in stock type classes requiring factory bolt on locations.
I am not sure, but it is a point to consider.
The M9 has more drive shaft tunnel clearance, but there are ways to move over stock type torque arms on the rear end as well, but you have to do things to make it happen, the M9 is ready to go.
The 9" will take many torque arms, the M9 has one torque arm, if you want a shorter style, guess what too bad.
As far as power I read there is no reason to go with an M9 if you don't make over 700 hp.
Both rear ends will handle high power if braced and setup right.
Before the Fab9, M9 even existed guys were running back braced 9" with 40 spline axles, spool and pro gears in cars with close to and even over 2,000+ hp at over 3,000 pounds.
Ever hear of pro street?
Can you run 1,500 hp in a 9", Yes. Does my car make 1,500 hp, no, do 1% of the people on ls1tech make that, probably not, so I don't see why that's an issue.
My take on it, if you have a torque arm go with a 9".
If you don't have a torque arm and don't have to worry about legality in any racing classes go with the M9.
I know some other fabricators offer M9 style (fabbed housings) with short or long torque arms, but you said M9 vs. 9" so I didn't mention it.
The M9 is 3,025.00 with the same thing plus a torque arm which is a difference of 775.00
If you have a torque arm you're paying 775.00 extra, if you don't have a torque arm it's not that bad of a deal because a quality torque arm like madman's setup will cost you about 700.00, which is a 75.00 difference and you factor in the lighter fabricated housing, you're really only paying 75.00 for a housing upgrade.
However like a few people have said it may not be legal in stock type classes requiring factory bolt on locations.
I am not sure, but it is a point to consider.
The M9 has more drive shaft tunnel clearance, but there are ways to move over stock type torque arms on the rear end as well, but you have to do things to make it happen, the M9 is ready to go.
The 9" will take many torque arms, the M9 has one torque arm, if you want a shorter style, guess what too bad.
As far as power I read there is no reason to go with an M9 if you don't make over 700 hp.
Both rear ends will handle high power if braced and setup right.
Before the Fab9, M9 even existed guys were running back braced 9" with 40 spline axles, spool and pro gears in cars with close to and even over 2,000+ hp at over 3,000 pounds.
Ever hear of pro street?
Can you run 1,500 hp in a 9", Yes. Does my car make 1,500 hp, no, do 1% of the people on ls1tech make that, probably not, so I don't see why that's an issue.
My take on it, if you have a torque arm go with a 9".
If you don't have a torque arm and don't have to worry about legality in any racing classes go with the M9.
I know some other fabricators offer M9 style (fabbed housings) with short or long torque arms, but you said M9 vs. 9" so I didn't mention it.
Nice write-up! Don't forget that the M9 also comes with a nice chromoly transmission crossmember for whatever type of tranmission you are going to use. If you're switching tranny's, this will also help to offset the cost. Bob
Last edited by Exotic Performance Plus; Jan 18, 2008 at 03:32 AM.
Give eric a call at midwest, I got lower control arms(adj). Adj. panhard bar, torque arm, tunnel mount, relocation brackets, and a handful of other upgrades for $3400. Basically everything to do with the rear end and suspension except shocks. I priced everything out I am getting and it came to just under $4000 if you ordered from moser and some other companies.
Give eric a call at midwest, I got lower control arms(adj). Adj. panhard bar, torque arm, tunnel mount, relocation brackets, and a handful of other upgrades for $3400. Basically everything to do with the rear end and suspension except shocks. I priced everything out I am getting and it came to just under $4000 if you ordered from moser and some other companies.
When I was looking for my setup. NO ONE, NO ONE, could beat Midwest's prices. BOB@EPP stopped posting his Advertisment real quick. Driveline solutions couldn't touch it, Jawsgears, no body.
MIDWEST is the way to go. Call me if you have any questions about your setup.
My name is Matt. PM sent
Agreed! ^^^ Eric knows more about this stuff than anyone else in this thread. He'll hook you up. And unlike Stupid F**King Moser, Fabbed 9"s don't cost $5,000 dollars for a complete setup, and they don't charge you $35.00 for a damn drian plug!
When I was looking for my setup. NO ONE, NO ONE, could beat Midwest's prices. BOB@EPP stopped posting his Advertisment real quick. Driveline solutions couldn't touch it, Jawsgears, no body.
MIDWEST is the way to go. Call me if you have any questions about your setup.
My name is Matt. PM sent
When I was looking for my setup. NO ONE, NO ONE, could beat Midwest's prices. BOB@EPP stopped posting his Advertisment real quick. Driveline solutions couldn't touch it, Jawsgears, no body.
MIDWEST is the way to go. Call me if you have any questions about your setup.
My name is Matt. PM sent
I never stopped posting anything. Bob
Which one is it? I did not stop posting my prices, and I answered your question about beating the price you told me. Am I suppose to sell you an M9 and personally lose hundreds of dollars? I don't think so. Bob
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Verdad Gallardo You are contradicting yourself here. You said "When I was looking for my setup. NO ONE, NO ONE, could beat Midwest's prices. BOB@EPP stopped posting his Advertisment real quick. Driveline solutions couldn't touch it, Jawsgears, no body." Now you are saying "Sometimes, I wish sponsers wouldn't be able to post *****/advertise their **** everywhere in Tech sections"
Which one is it? I did not stop posting my prices, and I answered your question about beating the price you told me. Am I suppose to sell you an M9 and personally lose hundreds of dollars? I don't think so. Bob
Which one is it? I did not stop posting my prices, and I answered your question about beating the price you told me. Am I suppose to sell you an M9 and personally lose hundreds of dollars? I don't think so. Bob
No, I don't want you involed in Techinal advice until someone begins asking for prices/sales. But since you're the first "used car salesman" on site, I asked you if you coulod beat a price and you said "no". And appearently that shut you up for a while, until 7 minutes later you we're trying to sell someone a $1.4million dollar M9 than didn't even fit. ROFLMFAO
It seems to me like it's a pretty fine line to toe to try and speak technically about a product without coming across as a sales pitch. Besides, the company you and I are doing business with is guilty of the same thing you're complaining about. It doesn't mean I'm going to flame on them; they're just trying to compete for our business. Again, you found a good deal on a product at a price no one was willing to match/beat. Why not just leave it at that?
I'm over it. I need to go to forums that don't allow their sponsers to ***** thier advertisments in Tech threads. And then complain about the way a customer post his Subject w/o thinking about how much that "little" money to you means to them.
It wasn't this thread, but most of the threads Bob posts in.
If you don't get my sarcasim over the $1.4 million, then I can't help you.
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Moser M9 is very overrated and very overpriced.
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Bob, you are a TURD.
It wasn't this thread, but most of the threads Bob posts in.
If you don't get my sarcasim over the $1.4 million, then I can't help you.
Bottom line
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Moser M9 is very overrated and very overpriced.
Bottom Line
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Bob, you are a TURD.
I'm over it. I need to go to forums that don't allow their sponsers to ***** thier advertisments in Tech threads. And then complain about the way a customer post his Subject w/o thinking about how much that "little" money to you means to them.
It wasn't this thread, but most of the threads Bob posts in.
If you don't get my sarcasim over the $1.4 million, then I can't help you.
Bottom line
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Moser M9 is very overrated and very overpriced.
Bottom Line
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Bob, you are a TURD.
It wasn't this thread, but most of the threads Bob posts in.
If you don't get my sarcasim over the $1.4 million, then I can't help you.
Bottom line
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Moser M9 is very overrated and very overpriced.
Bottom Line
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Bob, you are a TURD.
No, I'm talking about the part that it didn't even fit, what are you talking about? Bob
Again, I do agree with you. However, there's 2 other supporting site vendors who have posted in this thread talking about the merits of their product, so why are you singling one of them out? Especially since the title is "M9 vs 9".
It seems to me like it's a pretty fine line to toe to try and speak technically about a product without coming across as a sales pitch. Besides, the company you and I are doing business with is guilty of the same thing you're complaining about. It doesn't mean I'm going to flame on them; they're just trying to compete for our business. Again, you found a good deal on a product at a price no one was willing to match/beat. Why not just leave it at that?
It seems to me like it's a pretty fine line to toe to try and speak technically about a product without coming across as a sales pitch. Besides, the company you and I are doing business with is guilty of the same thing you're complaining about. It doesn't mean I'm going to flame on them; they're just trying to compete for our business. Again, you found a good deal on a product at a price no one was willing to match/beat. Why not just leave it at that?
I hate name calling.... LMAO hahahahahaha
In this business you win some you loose some. I think all the "Sponsors" know this. I expect I will not get every sale, be it cost, personality, or whatever. It boils down to personal preference on product and customer's gut feeling. I believe everyone on this board sells a great product and anyone on this board would benefit from dealing with any one of the sponsors. We certainly recognize customers preferences and try to apeal to the customers wants and that is why we are a Moser, Strange, and Fab9 distributor. Whatever works for the customer.
Jeff
In this business you win some you loose some. I think all the "Sponsors" know this. I expect I will not get every sale, be it cost, personality, or whatever. It boils down to personal preference on product and customer's gut feeling. I believe everyone on this board sells a great product and anyone on this board would benefit from dealing with any one of the sponsors. We certainly recognize customers preferences and try to apeal to the customers wants and that is why we are a Moser, Strange, and Fab9 distributor. Whatever works for the customer.
Jeff
Here's the thing I'm having issue with. Bob at EPP is not Moser. Like other vendors, he just sells the Moser product, he doesn't manufacture it or control the cost of making it. What I'm saying is comparing other fabricated 9" housings to the M9 is comparing apples to oranges. Before calling certain site sponsors "turds", go and compare the price of the M9 at various vendors; that way you're comparing the price of the SAME exact product.
While I agree that it's kind of annoying to see like 5 site supporting vendors in every tech thread made, it obviously bothers you even more than me. Look at it this way though. How much other stuff is posted here that you don't agree with, stuff that makes you think to yourself "are you serious"? Sometimes you have to separate the wheat from the chaff; it's not all going to be wheat, knowwhatimeanvern?
Well, I'll comtinue to pound my 9" posi with 600hsp and save all that money I didnt waste on buying all the upsold parts. sure you can have them weld on a swaybar bracket but guess what, ALL IT IS IS A EXHAUST CLAMP FROM A 3 or 3 12" clamp. LOL spend $4 and you can weld it yourself for maybe $4 in welding material. Buy relocation brackets and do the stuff yourself. I spent $60 on relocation brackets. AND LET ME LET ONE THING BE KNOWN. MOST likely you DON'T NEED TCS or ABS. Well if you dont know how to drive then you definitely need ABS. And if you cant figure out if it is wet on the road and you need something to tell you your tires are spinning as if the sound of them spinning wasn't enough then go ahead and waste your money. I spent 1950 with torque arm and center section installed on the car. If you cant do the stuff yourself then you probably dont need to be installing a rear in the first place. But I will say these guys know that and they are helping you out because labor would probably kill you if you took it somewhere after you got it to your house.