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YoungGunLs1 10-28-2008 10:44 PM

V6 with a few mods = quite impressive!
 
I have been interested to see how well the 3.6 DI motor responds to mods, this may be old news to some but thought I would post it anyways, I headed over the cadillac forums and this is what I found:

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums...ains-over.html


Originally Posted by Fire and Ice (Post 1496126)
Thank you all for your patience and we are happy to announce the results are in! Attached are dyno graphs from our 2008 CTS 3.6L DI RWD.
Baseline run: vehicle produced 263.0 rwhp and 241.7 lbs/tq.
Adding the new Corsa Exhaust power jumped to 281.1 rwhp and 255.3 lbs/tq. for an increase of 18.1 rwhp and 13.6 lbs/tq


http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...neandCorsa.jpg

From here, we added our intake system and power jumped to 294.2 rwhp and 261.3 lbs/tq for an increase of 13.1 rwhp and 6.0 lbs/tq. Total gain in power was 31.2 rwhp and 19.6 lbs/tq. from just an intake and exhaust.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...aandIntake.jpg


So Intake and Exhaust = 294.2 rwhp / 261.3 rwtq

There was no tune with this, and I have read that a tune is good for nice gains as well.

So if I am reading this all right, Intake, Exhaust, and Tune is going to put these 6'ers over 300rwhp :burn:

I think the V6 is going to impress a lot of people :nod:

Anyways, still gonna be a M6 LS3 SS for me, but just thought a base camaro with the numbers these 3.6 DI motors put out will be quite impressive and quite a good bang for the buck :thumb:

Definately won't mind driving one of these for a rental car if they end up being rented like the mustangs :nod:

triggerjerk 10-29-2008 08:35 AM

It'll be interesting to see what kinda numbers a 3800lb car with 294rwhp will run . . .

enginjoe 10-29-2008 09:06 AM


Originally Posted by triggerjerk (Post 10382138)
It'll be interesting to see what kinda numbers a 3800lb car with 294rwhp will run . . .

Slow no matter what...

20SS07 10-29-2008 11:16 AM

Should be close to 13's with that if not in the 13's.

Ericbigmac83 10-29-2008 11:17 AM


Originally Posted by enginjoe (Post 10382269)
Slow no matter what...

so 200 lbs more than the 4th gens with the same amount of Hp suddenly makes them slow??

qwk93ta 10-29-2008 11:18 AM

That's probably a low 14 second car, not bad for a DD.

blk/slvr02ss 10-29-2008 11:41 AM

Almost 300 rwhp in a 3800lbs 2010 V6 CAMARO that should be a high 13 sec car.You got to figure a 02 SS A4 stock has a little over 300rwhp @ 3445lbs & runs low 13's so add 500lbs that should be high 13's.

BlackTTC6 10-29-2008 12:17 PM


Originally Posted by Ericbigmac83 (Post 10383029)
so 200 lbs more than the 4th gens with the same amount of Hp suddenly makes them slow??

4th gen F-bodies weigh 3300lbs. The new camaro will be close to 3900

OctaneZ28 10-29-2008 12:35 PM

4th Gens weigh 3300? since when? lol. Maybe a base stripper model.
My 2001 Z28 weighed 3570 from the factory.

The V6 5th Gen will be a mid-14 second car stock.
It won't be hard at all to get them into the 13s.

Take a look at what the CTSs are running with the 304hp DI V6 (same V6 as Camaro)
V6 Camaro is about 200lbs lighter than a CTS.

enginjoe 10-29-2008 12:48 PM


Originally Posted by Ericbigmac83 (Post 10383029)
so 200 lbs more than the 4th gens with the same amount of Hp suddenly makes them slow??

The weight difference is a little more than that. Most LS1 fbods dyno 31xrwhp and 32xrwtq. This means the hp and torque are down around 20hp and 60ftlbs respectively. It'll probably be solid mid 14s. That makes it closer to a 15 second car here at altitude and temperature.

Chadder 10-29-2008 01:03 PM

When the hell did all you guys decide that 4th generation f-bodies were lightweights and the new camaro is a fat pig? The 4th gen was a fat pig for its time too. Cars now adays weigh more, get over it. The v6 with 300rwhp will run just a bit slower than a 4th gen with 300rwhp, but in no way is it going to be slower "just because it's a v6".

Johnnystock 10-29-2008 01:12 PM

Its nice to see a V6 that respond very to basic mods!

YoungGunLs1 10-29-2008 01:46 PM

Well with some more searching on the cadillac forums it looks like the RWD CTS with the same motor is running anywhere from 14.5-14.8 @ 95+ mph. So depending on the driver, track, etc.. the CTS is a Mid to high 14 second car.

The CTS is not geared for drag racing and more for top end I am guessing, and is also heavier than the V6 Camaro will be, so I would assume with the Camaro being geared for off the line acceleration better than the CTS is, and it being slightly lighter, I would bet it will run Low to Mid 14's with a good driver such as a 14.3-14.6 1/4... STOCK

Shown in the dyno graphs you can add another 35-40rwhp with just exhaust and intake, and I would assume another 15-25 rwhp with a tune, I will have to do some more digging.

So 40-60rwhp over stock... sounds like the car should be knocking on 13's with those three mods..

I wasn't trying to start an arguement with this thread, but rather simply show that for a V6 it will be quite impressive.

Remember guys, this is the BASE model.. While some think low-mid 14's is slow, for a BASE model this is quite respective.

Now the SS will be the real peformer :)

WECIV 10-29-2008 02:48 PM

It should be a high 13's vehicle with a good driver and those mods.

W

enginjoe 10-29-2008 02:53 PM

I guess I came off a little strong there, but I'm used to driving a 360whp/400wtq, 2860lb car every day. It's almost as fast as my turbo '02 SS was (117mph traps in the skittle). Weight kills performance. A 3750lb, 290whp/260wtq car is a serious dog to me. It will be ok for those not used to fast cars.

hc8719 10-29-2008 03:01 PM

Orginally I started this post trying to make sense to V6 haters, but I erased everything, because no matter what I say, you say V6's suck, whether their pushing 250 hp or 300 hp.

If you don't want a 300 hp Camaro because its going to be slow, and you'd rather have a Civic, the hell with you

enginjoe 10-29-2008 03:36 PM

It has nothing to do with v6's. If the new camaro had a turbo v6 pushing over 400hp, then that would be cool in my book. What I, and many other here, don't care about or want is a slow Camaro. I would rather drive my FWD piece of crap neon than that, because it's way faster. I don't drive slow cars, that's all.

LS100CAMSS 10-29-2008 04:07 PM

Most likely someone on this sight has one with twin turbos as soon as the factory waranty runs out, if not sooner.

99bowtieZ 10-29-2008 04:28 PM

A stock A4 ls1 will dyno 290-300...(if you don't beleive me look it up) That means that after a good tune this DI v6 will be closing in on mid-high 13s... Its a Camaro, don't hate it just because it can make the power even in a v6...

S8ER95Z 10-29-2008 04:53 PM


Originally Posted by Chadder (Post 10383694)
When the hell did all you guys decide that 4th generation f-bodies were lightweights and the new camaro is a fat pig? The 4th gen was a fat pig for its time too. Cars now adays weigh more, get over it. The v6 with 300rwhp will run just a bit slower than a 4th gen with 300rwhp, but in no way is it going to be slower "just because it's a v6".

If F-Body owners are going to claim Terminators are fat pigs and no one says a word then I don't see why this claim is any less rediculous. :D


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