solid axle conversion ?
solid rears are great setups but they have their place just like irs does. many sra cars do great on road courses and handle turns like its no problem. I just personally like irs, but i've seen 4000lb sra cars murder evos on road courses.
so people can do what ever they want to their car... and since maybe only 1 person in this thread has a 5th gen i fail to see why it is such a big deal to all the non 5th gen owners what can be done to one.
and making 60k isnt something to brag about... at least not in the overly expensive part of the country that i live in.
so people can do what ever they want to their car... and since maybe only 1 person in this thread has a 5th gen i fail to see why it is such a big deal to all the non 5th gen owners what can be done to one.
and making 60k isnt something to brag about... at least not in the overly expensive part of the country that i live in.
Solid axle cars had there place in the automotive world. When the Camaro was competing with just the mustang (which is why the car went on hiatus) a solid rear was acceptable. But now the the car is targeted at not only the mustang but also import sport coupes and the need is there for IRS. The 2010 Camaro is not a muscle car and can't be one to survive in this market. GM can't sell enough Camaro's to just drag racers and enthusiests to make money on the car. The best arguement is that even when the Camaro had a solid axle (crappy 10 bolt) it was the first thing to go when the car was used for drag racing. Same thing with 2010, if you want to drag race the car you have to swap the rear. Some people get so wrapped up in 4th gen vs. 5th gen that they can't see the obvious.
solid rears are great setups but they have their place just like irs does. many sra cars do great on road courses and handle turns like its no problem. I just personally like irs, but i've seen 4000lb sra cars murder evos on road courses.
so people can do what ever they want to their car... and since maybe only 1 person in this thread has a 5th gen i fail to see why it is such a big deal to all the non 5th gen owners what can be done to one.
and making 60k isnt something to brag about... at least not in the overly expensive part of the country that i live in.
so people can do what ever they want to their car... and since maybe only 1 person in this thread has a 5th gen i fail to see why it is such a big deal to all the non 5th gen owners what can be done to one.
and making 60k isnt something to brag about... at least not in the overly expensive part of the country that i live in.
Income - Median Family Income in the Past 12 Months by Family Size
http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/incom...eandstate.html
Why would I quote the income of the top tax bracket?
It makes sense to quote the average income and then compare to what the teenies who are now buying these cars make.
A rich guy isn't going to buy a new Camaro that is just retarded sooo WHY say 100K?? Why?
Average American people buy Camaros. If you have more money you get a Corvette or a better car
THINK ABOUT IT!
Yes, because that makes a big difference on the subject. I'm so sure I'd understand things better (and see it your way) if I'd been on this site as long as you. Especially since I can't possibly learn or know anything more about cars unless I'm a longtime member of THIS site.......cause, you know.....other car sites (or realworld experience for that matter) just aren't where the true gearheads sow their oats.
But that's cool. I made my point....and you responded with a pointless comment.
But that's cool. I made my point....and you responded with a pointless comment.
If you are into drag racing why would you get this car and try to mod it?
It is a waste of time and so is putting a 12 bolt or 9 into a new camaro.
The car wasn't intended to drag.
I guess if you wanted to have a cool new car and drag you would... thats the only reason i can think of.
Income - Median Family Income in the Past 12 Months by Family Size
http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/incom...eandstate.html
Why would I quote the income of the top tax bracket?
It makes sense to quote the average income and then compare to what the teenies who are now buying these cars make.
A rich guy isn't going to buy a new Camaro that is just retarded sooo WHY say 100K?? Why?
Average American people buy Camaros. If you have more money you get a Corvette or a better car
THINK ABOUT IT!
Quite pointless. Sorry, didn't have my coffee yet. Hope no offense was realised. (cause im not being a jerk about it. just dont get why you would do this.) But really!
If you are into drag racing why would you get this car and try to mod it?
It is a waste of time and so is putting a 12 bolt or 9 into a new camaro.
The car wasn't intended to drag.
I guess if you wanted to have a cool new car and drag you would... thats the only reason i can think of.
http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/incom...eandstate.html
Why would I quote the income of the top tax bracket?
It makes sense to quote the average income and then compare to what the teenies who are now buying these cars make.
A rich guy isn't going to buy a new Camaro that is just retarded sooo WHY say 100K?? Why?
Average American people buy Camaros. If you have more money you get a Corvette or a better car
THINK ABOUT IT!
Quite pointless. Sorry, didn't have my coffee yet. Hope no offense was realised. (cause im not being a jerk about it. just dont get why you would do this.) But really!
If you are into drag racing why would you get this car and try to mod it?
It is a waste of time and so is putting a 12 bolt or 9 into a new camaro.
The car wasn't intended to drag.
I guess if you wanted to have a cool new car and drag you would... thats the only reason i can think of.
also how isnt a car intended to drag? a drag is just a performance test and no car today shouldnt be able to record its performance in a straight line, regardless if its a irs or a hybrid running on babies tears.
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Guys, guys.......to each his own. That's all I'm saying. Does putting a SRA on a 2010 Camaro make sense to you? Maybe not. But someone else might have their own idea of what they want their 5th gen to be. I seem to recall ppl upfitting IRS units to their older pony/musclecars to do some roadcourse racing or autocross in years past. Some ppl scoffed at such an idea for a Camaro or Mustang, but it was their car and their choice. I just see no reason to bash on or jump thru flaming hoops to get someone to reconsider such a mod. There are plenty of ppl planning to put gaudy rims and bodykits on their 5th gens. Do I approve? No. But dammit, if that's what they wanna do I'm not gonna hose'em down for it. We all have to pay for and, ultimately, live with the mods we choose to do to our cars. If that mod proves somewhat unsuited for the car, then it proves to be its own form of punishment for doing it. 
Live and let...
Live and let...
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Vipers are running7's with IRS rears.
Ford kept the live axle because it is cheaper for them to produce.
Solid Axels ONLY make sense in 2 cases:
You want a cheap drag car.
-or-
You want a bulletproofdrag car.
If you want cheap drag car, you're going to go with a used F-body or Fox body.
If you are going to do a purpose built drag car and you want it to be bulletproof, you're going to go with a custom 9" rear and a LIGHT car.
The new Camaro is a pig from the factory. So, the only way it makes sense to build it with a solid rear is to order the "body in white" to build a trailered drag car.
Bottom Line:
Solid rear cars are for drags ONLY.
I don't know why this subject is so highly debated when it is so obviously simple.
Ford kept the live axle because it is cheaper for them to produce.
Solid Axels ONLY make sense in 2 cases:
You want a cheap drag car.
-or-
You want a bulletproofdrag car.
If you want cheap drag car, you're going to go with a used F-body or Fox body.
If you are going to do a purpose built drag car and you want it to be bulletproof, you're going to go with a custom 9" rear and a LIGHT car.
The new Camaro is a pig from the factory. So, the only way it makes sense to build it with a solid rear is to order the "body in white" to build a trailered drag car.
Bottom Line:
Solid rear cars are for drags ONLY.
I don't know why this subject is so highly debated when it is so obviously simple.
Also, you make a big deal out of the Mustang IRS. Go look at all the Cobra guys ditching the IRS and converting their cars to solid axle.
I've got solid axle and IRS equipped cars. I know the limitations of each.
As for your summation, its nice that you have an opinion about when it makes sense for the rest of the world to do as you see fit. It doesn't make it correct however. In your world maybe it doesn't make sense. In someone else's it may make perfect sense. Again, its all a matter or opinion, and perspective and your's isn't an better or more valid than anyone else's in this case.
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Having blown up 4 C5 rears in a row drag racing, with a total expediture in parts and labor over $10K for a simply H/C car, let me tell you that an IRS isn't always as bulletproof as you make it out to be.
Also, you make a big deal out of the Mustang IRS. Go look at all the Cobra guys ditching the IRS and converting their cars to solid axle.
I've got solid axle and IRS equipped cars. I know the limitations of each.
As for your summation, its nice that you have an opinion about when it makes sense for the rest of the world to do as you see fit. It doesn't make it correct however. In your world maybe it doesn't make sense. In someone else's it may make perfect sense. Again, its all a matter or opinion, and perspective and your's isn't an better or more valid than anyone else's in this case.
Also, you make a big deal out of the Mustang IRS. Go look at all the Cobra guys ditching the IRS and converting their cars to solid axle.
I've got solid axle and IRS equipped cars. I know the limitations of each.
As for your summation, its nice that you have an opinion about when it makes sense for the rest of the world to do as you see fit. It doesn't make it correct however. In your world maybe it doesn't make sense. In someone else's it may make perfect sense. Again, its all a matter or opinion, and perspective and your's isn't an better or more valid than anyone else's in this case.
Running an auto trans probably would have cured, or at least helped, with your rear problems. Manuals are hard on rears. But, you already knew that too.
I think we call agree that a solid rear axle is best for a drag car.
No kidding.
I think any reasonable person would admit that IRS is better everywhere else.
I also think it's obvious that it's better to build a drag car starting with a cheaper car that came with a solid rear instead of a $30k+ 2010 Camaro that weighs almost 4,000lbs.
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crap,i wish i hadn't even started this thread now. a simple question has pretty much turned into an irs v/s solid axle arguement which was definitely my intent. sorry for all involved. i'm going to go lock myself in the closet now.
Well you've never put a camaro up on two wheels and drug the bumper 100 feet so solid axle all the way
Different strokes for different folks I was just basically saying I would never drag race a car with irs its pointless.
I'm done with this post
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I dont have a 5th gen, but I am considering getting one when I get back later in the year. I like to drag race and I think I would like a SRA in it. It might not ride as well or handle corners as well, but I am sure it would be fine for my tastes, as I dont autocross or do any serious canyon carving.
I have read that IRS eats up more horsepower than a solid axle. I think this came from the Ford guys. Anyone else heard that as well?
I have read that IRS eats up more horsepower than a solid axle. I think this came from the Ford guys. Anyone else heard that as well?
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Running an auto trans probably would have cured, or at least helped, with your rear problems. Manuals are hard on rears. But, you already knew that too.
I think we call agree that a solid rear axle is best for a drag car.
No kidding.
I think any reasonable person would admit that IRS is better everywhere else.
I also think it's obvious that it's better to build a drag car starting with a cheaper car that came with a solid rear instead of a $30k+ 2010 Camaro that weighs almost 4,000lbs.
No kidding.
I think any reasonable person would admit that IRS is better everywhere else.
I also think it's obvious that it's better to build a drag car starting with a cheaper car that came with a solid rear instead of a $30k+ 2010 Camaro that weighs almost 4,000lbs.
I have heard that the rear end out of a Trailblazer would bolt up with a MIMIMUM of modifications. Don't know if there is any truth to that, but it could be a possiblility.
In any case, my apology if I helped muck it up.
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I will come out and say it.
Some people on this forum work at Mickey D's and some of us make over 60K a year.
Some people like driving an old piece of **** from 1993 and some of us like the newest technology.
Many of us got the F bodies when they were new and we are tired of them. We don't care how important you think your live axle is.
Some people on this forum work at Mickey D's and some of us make over 60K a year.
Some people like driving an old piece of **** from 1993 and some of us like the newest technology.
Many of us got the F bodies when they were new and we are tired of them. We don't care how important you think your live axle is.
well some people on this forum only make 60k, and some off us make over 100k.
and there are some people that don’t make that much money like to drive cars over their means, and some off us that don’t feel the need, and stick with ower old car... bla bla bla??? What??
i really don’t think it ,matters how much money you make it really how bad you like the car... i know allot off people that bye this car that make over a 100k and some who make less than 60k...
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What is the Holy Grail of IRS ????
But, you're only further supporting my statement it's just plain stupid to buy a brand new IRS car to convert it to SRA.
A F-body, Fox body, or Cobra Jet are all obviously better choices for someone who wants a SRA.
I don't know why anyone would argue the obvious.
That’s the dumbest argument ever??
well some people on this forum only make 60k, and some off us make over 100k.
and there are some people that don’t make that much money like to drive cars over their means, and some off us that don’t feel the need, and stick with ower old car... bla bla bla??? What??
i really don’t think it ,matters how much money you make it really how bad you like the car... i know allot off people that bye this car that make over a 100k and some who make less than 60k...
well some people on this forum only make 60k, and some off us make over 100k.
and there are some people that don’t make that much money like to drive cars over their means, and some off us that don’t feel the need, and stick with ower old car... bla bla bla??? What??
i really don’t think it ,matters how much money you make it really how bad you like the car... i know allot off people that bye this car that make over a 100k and some who make less than 60k...
If you want to save money you get an f body cause they are cheap.
If you have a lot of money you get a more expensive car.
Anyone would.
Its all about how much money you make.
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Well it doesn’t matter how much i make, I did make that comment to brag about my yearly salary. But for me saying I would bye a camaro, disproves your theory completely. Not everyone that’s makes a lot off money it going to go for a certain car in a certain price range…but i see what your saying.... and thats just my 2 cents...