Road & Track Preview of 2010 Camaro
Road & Track Preview of 2010 Camaro Well so of the things i read that i'm not crazy about the 2010 Camaro SS.
First thing...the fact it weighs 3750 lbs!!! YIKES....Not liking that too much.
Second the automatic version is getting the L99 engine with 395hp and 390tq...not liking that. But the M6 SS is getting a 420hp and 405tq LS3...i like that, but why would they give the SS different motors? Either the artical is
wrong or GM is crazy. Even with the large weight of the car i was still interested in having a LS3 Camaro SS not a L99. But they are both 6.2 liters.
So there can't be too many differents about the motors. But i just know if i
want a new Camaro SS and if i wanted the A6 version i want the 420hp LS3.
I can live with it being alittle chunky...lol. Any thoughts on this?
First thing...the fact it weighs 3750 lbs!!! YIKES....Not liking that too much.
Second the automatic version is getting the L99 engine with 395hp and 390tq...not liking that. But the M6 SS is getting a 420hp and 405tq LS3...i like that, but why would they give the SS different motors? Either the artical is
wrong or GM is crazy. Even with the large weight of the car i was still interested in having a LS3 Camaro SS not a L99. But they are both 6.2 liters.
So there can't be too many differents about the motors. But i just know if i
want a new Camaro SS and if i wanted the A6 version i want the 420hp LS3.
I can live with it being alittle chunky...lol. Any thoughts on this?
Ooopps...just saw the post about the L99 vs. LS3...Well i hate to have to buy a M6 just
cause the LS3 doesn't get the A6. GM should know how many guy love autos with a stall.
GM is forcing us a little just to get an LS3..thats BS...Even though i had 2 F-bodies
with M6's..i really like the A4 with a Vig in there. Well you know...it's been awhile
since i had a M6 Camaro..i would love to get another..i'm in i'll get one.
If they make a dark ZO6 style blue or aweswome onxy black i'll be dying to get one even
with is added weight...i hope it handles so u don't notice it
cause the LS3 doesn't get the A6. GM should know how many guy love autos with a stall.
GM is forcing us a little just to get an LS3..thats BS...Even though i had 2 F-bodies
with M6's..i really like the A4 with a Vig in there. Well you know...it's been awhile
since i had a M6 Camaro..i would love to get another..i'm in i'll get one.
If they make a dark ZO6 style blue or aweswome onxy black i'll be dying to get one even
with is added weight...i hope it handles so u don't notice it
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Correction, the V8 manual will be above 3900 pounds, not 3750. On a side note, the Auto SS's will be at 4k pounds when they get to dealers. I agree, the auto SS should come with a the LS3! If the advertised numbers are legitiment, the manual car will be significantly faster. It will have more HP, TQ, & be lighter??? Manual 4 the win!
ok guys, the only difference between the L99 and the LS3 is the DOD setup. they engines make the same amount of power, and the auto will most likely be just as fast as the m6 with equal drivers. dont cry so much about 20hp, it's just a rating.
the L99 A6 will be quicker than the LS3 M6 just cause they both have 6 speeds and a human can't out shift a computer..lol. I think GM even made mention of it. not sure. But if it's up to me i want to know i have the LS3 and i want the M6 anyway. But just imagine doing heads/cam and a 3200-360 stall on a L99 SS....wooohooo
And DAMN 4,000lbs...its gonna handle like a heavy *** stiffer riding Cadillac. GM only plans on sell about 20,000 units a year i guess
Man and i thought my '94 and '95' Z28 LT1's were heavy. (I just mentioned this on another post a little bit ago, so sorry if anyone is reading this twice)
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You guys do realize GM doesn't want the Camaro to be heavy, right? If you want the weight of cars to go down, talk to your congressman. They are the ones forcing automanufacturers to put all this useless crap in cars. I buy a car to drive it, not wreck it!!! 
Well a CTS is heavy, but the race car version has a lot of **** removed like the
heavy seats, AC system, interior panels, air bags and other crap. A CTS race car
isn't gonna weigh anywhere near 4k lbs. The colbalt is already light. so that car
doesn't even count. They pull crap out of those to for racing. I'm talking about
street cars here guys not race cars. If u empty them out you could get the camaro
done to 3,200 to 3,300 lbs i imagine. But bottom line weight is the enemy. Thats
why the corvette is so light...they dont want it to weigh alot. Yes i'v been in a CTS-V
with a pocharger and stiffer suspension and loved it, but to can feel its heft. Our LS1 f-bodies feel very light in comparison. I drove a '05 GTO thats the same thing, you can
feel its exta weight...sports cars buy nature are cars that are light with a powerful motor
bottom line. But i know after the SS comes out i'm gonna wait about 3 model years so all the bugs get worked out...then i'm going for the LS3 M6 even if it cost $37,000 i love
camaros that much.
heavy seats, AC system, interior panels, air bags and other crap. A CTS race car
isn't gonna weigh anywhere near 4k lbs. The colbalt is already light. so that car
doesn't even count. They pull crap out of those to for racing. I'm talking about
street cars here guys not race cars. If u empty them out you could get the camaro
done to 3,200 to 3,300 lbs i imagine. But bottom line weight is the enemy. Thats
why the corvette is so light...they dont want it to weigh alot. Yes i'v been in a CTS-V
with a pocharger and stiffer suspension and loved it, but to can feel its heft. Our LS1 f-bodies feel very light in comparison. I drove a '05 GTO thats the same thing, you can
feel its exta weight...sports cars buy nature are cars that are light with a powerful motor
bottom line. But i know after the SS comes out i'm gonna wait about 3 model years so all the bugs get worked out...then i'm going for the LS3 M6 even if it cost $37,000 i love
camaros that much.
I really dont think handling in this car, even with the extra weight will be that big of an issue. GM's been setting a number of records at the 'Ring lately, even with some "porkers" like the CTS-V and the Cobalt SS (which is 300lbs heavier than Civic/RSX). They're already saying that the Camaro will run 8:20's at the 'Ring, which is on par with the E46 M3. Not too shabby.
(I just mentioned this on another post a little bit ago, so sorry if anyone is reading this twice)
(I just mentioned this on another post a little bit ago, so sorry if anyone is reading this twice)
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Sunset. If the ratings are truthful (they cant lie anymore), then 20 HP is significant.
UltraZ. Thats dry weight. M6 will weight right around 3900 when they arrive at dealers.
So if the Auto is 4000, thats makes it not too far from the SRT8 Challengers.
UltraZ. Thats dry weight. M6 will weight right around 3900 when they arrive at dealers.
So if the Auto is 4000, thats makes it not too far from the SRT8 Challengers.
Man i hear ya ...I am still interested in the car, but in this economy where does
the Camaro even fit in? You need a car thats gonna blow peoples socks off.
The dedicated Camaro guys will most likely get one, but they need to win over
Mustang, Challenger fans to make this car a success. I'm affraid true 1/4 mile racers
are gonna hate this thing. By nature heavy cars don't corner like a light one.
Remember back in '93 all the car mags said the 4th gen was too heavy and lazy thru turns. But tech. has got better but you cant get around physics no matter how stiff
a frame or suspension u have.
the Camaro even fit in? You need a car thats gonna blow peoples socks off.
The dedicated Camaro guys will most likely get one, but they need to win over
Mustang, Challenger fans to make this car a success. I'm affraid true 1/4 mile racers
are gonna hate this thing. By nature heavy cars don't corner like a light one.
Remember back in '93 all the car mags said the 4th gen was too heavy and lazy thru turns. But tech. has got better but you cant get around physics no matter how stiff
a frame or suspension u have.
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But bottom line weight is the enemy. Thats
why the corvette is so light...they dont want it to weigh alot.
why the corvette is so light...they dont want it to weigh alot.
Yes i'v been in a CTS-V
with a pocharger and stiffer suspension and loved it, but to can feel its heft.
with a pocharger and stiffer suspension and loved it, but to can feel its heft.
Our LS1 f-bodies feel very light in comparison.
.sports cars buy nature are cars that are light with a powerful motor
bottom line.
bottom line.
And the Camaro has never been a sports car.
I hate the extra hefty weight of this car and I don't agree that government regulations make it too heavy. The Mustang weighs 3500 and it meets government specs. They just missed the mark, even considering the addition of the IRS. I'm hoping with lightweight, smaller diameter wheels and some moderate weight removal(side air bags, tire inflation system, different seats, etc, we can get this car down to the 3700lb mark and still have a nice street cruiser. Oh, and this is a muscle car, not a sports car or a luxury car.
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i be that L99 motor with its DOD is gonna be a bitch to try and mod. i am thinking that a heads and cam swap is gonna be more than the stock computer can handle? i wonder how the tuners are gonna get around this??
It is a sports car, muscle cars are strickly straight line cars. The camaro has good
handling and good breaking. So that makes it more a sports car than a muscle car.
GM is trying to change that stigma as well. They want the car to be a tight handling
car with great brakes. Thats why they are going with the IRS not just a solid axle.
They car giving the car class this time. More like BMW or any euro style car. The GTO was the same way. The car drove quiet, smooth with no creaking or rattles. But ****
i still love my '02 SS. Actually "sports cars" are supposed to be light, bottom line, forget the powerful engine. "Sports cars are more about handling, control and feel, not power. (See Miata, Elise etc.)
And the Camaro has never been a sports car" I agree about the handling but i disagree with power not being important...Just ask Ford and Carroll Shelby. There sports car handled and kick *** with the cobra jet and won about every race. But you are correct that feel and handling are first, but power isn't overlooked or not important.
handling and good breaking. So that makes it more a sports car than a muscle car.
GM is trying to change that stigma as well. They want the car to be a tight handling
car with great brakes. Thats why they are going with the IRS not just a solid axle.
They car giving the car class this time. More like BMW or any euro style car. The GTO was the same way. The car drove quiet, smooth with no creaking or rattles. But ****
i still love my '02 SS. Actually "sports cars" are supposed to be light, bottom line, forget the powerful engine. "Sports cars are more about handling, control and feel, not power. (See Miata, Elise etc.)
And the Camaro has never been a sports car" I agree about the handling but i disagree with power not being important...Just ask Ford and Carroll Shelby. There sports car handled and kick *** with the cobra jet and won about every race. But you are correct that feel and handling are first, but power isn't overlooked or not important.
Last edited by BlackNiteWS6; Aug 27, 2008 at 10:08 PM.
You know what? I was thinking the same thing when i read about the
L99 A6 SS. Anyway L99 sounds like it should be in a truck not a
top of the line Camaro SS
Screw the DoD...just install the LS3in both SS models..whats next a Camaro hybrid for god sakes
BTW...very nice Ford GT.
Last edited by BlackNiteWS6; Aug 27, 2008 at 10:13 PM.