Long Tube Question
my question is...why do you want headers? i don't think you really *need them until you cam it. same gains to be had with n2o using manifolds or headers. a solid stock manifold car will run equal to or within 1 mph of a header car.
i'd just wait until you cam it. otherwise you are opening yourself up to many problems.
i'd just wait until you cam it. otherwise you are opening yourself up to many problems.
i have never heard an arguement that headers arent worth it on a stock car. better flow but more importantly sets yourself up for the future, and no one has brought up the sound aspect either yet. i do see what you are trying to say though,
my vote actually goes to LPP headers for clearance, and you get stainless for pretty much same price as pacesetter, cant deny that
and i almost forgot the y-pipe. go custom if you want clearance, that way you KNOW its fit to YOUR car. dont trust a premade pipe
my vote actually goes to LPP headers for clearance, and you get stainless for pretty much same price as pacesetter, cant deny that
and i almost forgot the y-pipe. go custom if you want clearance, that way you KNOW its fit to YOUR car. dont trust a premade pipe
i'm just trying to show the other side of the coin. it's going to cost AT LEAST $500 to do it right. i never said headers offer no gain, i said i don't think they are worth the money on an otherwise stock car. my experiences and those of my friends prove that headers are not needed to be "fast" or loud, or whatever it is the op is trying to achieve.
you mean i am misexperienced? because the information is coming from drag strips and experience from a few years worth of racing.
what kind of mileage did/do your untuned header cars get? what do they weigh and trap? headers aren't worth the effort IMHO.
you'll be over $500 with headers and a tune to trap what a manifold car would with an ory. you'll have less clearance than manifolds for everything engine/exhaust related and not have an excuse when a damn near stock ls1fbod is door to door with ya.
i think headers are great, but they have their time and place. a bolt-on car with no other mods is not the place.
edit: fyi - you will pick up the same on a 100 shot, headers or not.
what kind of mileage did/do your untuned header cars get? what do they weigh and trap? headers aren't worth the effort IMHO.
you'll be over $500 with headers and a tune to trap what a manifold car would with an ory. you'll have less clearance than manifolds for everything engine/exhaust related and not have an excuse when a damn near stock ls1fbod is door to door with ya.
i think headers are great, but they have their time and place. a bolt-on car with no other mods is not the place.
edit: fyi - you will pick up the same on a 100 shot, headers or not.
Don't tell me they don't make a big difference. Maybe you are talking JUST LT's but who changes long tubes and not change out the rest of the exhaust, that doesn't make much sense to me.
IDK dude, I've easily beat lots of LS1's when i only head headers, ORY, and catback. And that's with 2.73 gearing which people think is so terrible.
Don't tell me they don't make a big difference. Maybe you are talking JUST LT's but who changes long tubes and not change out the rest of the exhaust, that doesn't make much sense to me.
Don't tell me they don't make a big difference. Maybe you are talking JUST LT's but who changes long tubes and not change out the rest of the exhaust, that doesn't make much sense to me.
I say regardless if you do it early or later it will help in the future. But as for people who want results now, the sound is more than enough to compensate the effort, at least for me... So what I see is win/win...
