pp 96 vs. fast 102
Myth crap? lol, forget science! 
I'm getting tuned and dyno'd in the beginning of April switching from a PP 96mm to a FAST 102. Unfortunately for you and everyone else who hates science, I also switched from Pacesetter 1 3/4" to TSP 1 7/8", swapped the Y-pipe, went from a Flowmaster to a Magnaflow, added a catch can, etc so it won't be apples to apples. But you bet I'll be posting that up in the dyno section.
LOL, "I don't want to hear logic crap!"
I'm getting tuned and dyno'd in the beginning of April switching from a PP 96mm to a FAST 102. Unfortunately for you and everyone else who hates science, I also switched from Pacesetter 1 3/4" to TSP 1 7/8", swapped the Y-pipe, went from a Flowmaster to a Magnaflow, added a catch can, etc so it won't be apples to apples. But you bet I'll be posting that up in the dyno section.
LOL, "I don't want to hear logic crap!"
Better flowing headers, muffler, and if you went with a better y-merger with a larger exit then more power there too.
IMO you could be looking at 10-25rwhp; just with the exhaust changes!
That's just a rough estimate because I don't know the details on the your exhaust from the Y-pipe on back.
So yes, It'll be hard to pin down the exact gains you'll get from just your intake swap.
Last edited by 99Bluz28; Mar 16, 2012 at 03:14 PM.
i have a 408ci lq4. i have a 96mm typhoon which i received for free. been driving it for over a year. no number, i had car tuned while driving. the car runs hard. really hard. i did not anything either. then again i have a non restrictive air flow. 104mm lid to 4 inch bellow to 96mm tb to 96mm typhoon to stage 3r mti heads, to 1 7/8" TSP header. take it for what you want but I like the typhoon. I would recommend the typhoon. 90% of these people have simply read about them but dont know them well. I did have some vacuum leaks in the beginning, but figure that out very quick. Also had a gas leak. Once i ironed out these issue in a hour, it has been perfect for over a year.
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So...
It's pretty much Japanese World of Warcraft with loli's? Are there tentacle monsters?
Car guys don't care about this stuff. (unless there really are tentacle monsters)
There's already so many games exactly like this one (except the text is actually comprehensible) that there's no reason to even consider it.
Blue sapphire and scarlet ruby are pretty ****** redundant naming schemes.
Who sent you? Did the overmind threaten to devour your guild if you failed to gather 25 sacrifices by dawn?
...cause if you need sacrifices, try hondaforums.com.
But in all seriousness, get out of here.
So...
It's pretty much Japanese World of Warcraft with loli's? Are there tentacle monsters?
Car guys don't care about this stuff. (unless there really are tentacle monsters)
There's already so many games exactly like this one (except the text is actually comprehensible) that there's no reason to even consider it.
Blue sapphire and scarlet ruby are pretty ****** redundant naming schemes.
Who sent you? Did the overmind threaten to devour your guild if you failed to gather 25 sacrifices by dawn?
...cause if you need sacrifices, try hondaforums.com.
But in all seriousness, get out of here.
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Well Taman, I got your damned results...
Remember, I changed the following:
Pacesetter 1 3/4" to TSP 1 7/8"
Pacesetter ORY to TSP ORY
Flowmaster to Magnaflow catback
96mm Typhoon for a FAST 102mm
92mm FAST tb to 102mm FAST tb
oil
Also I added an LS6 PCV, a catch can and cold air. I left before I could get a dyno chart but it had broken (in more ways than one) 460whp and 454 (?) wtq from 422/429 on the same dyno with all kinds of gains under the curves. I'm hoping to see the graphs today, I'll post tomorrow if I do.
Remember, I changed the following:
Pacesetter 1 3/4" to TSP 1 7/8"
Pacesetter ORY to TSP ORY
Flowmaster to Magnaflow catback
96mm Typhoon for a FAST 102mm
92mm FAST tb to 102mm FAST tb
oil
Also I added an LS6 PCV, a catch can and cold air. I left before I could get a dyno chart but it had broken (in more ways than one) 460whp and 454 (?) wtq from 422/429 on the same dyno with all kinds of gains under the curves. I'm hoping to see the graphs today, I'll post tomorrow if I do.
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and holy hell batman, that is good. the fast is really the top performer there, the 1 7/8 prolly wont net you too much i would think and the y pipe change. im sold!!!! already talked to mamo for price quote
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Well Taman, I got your damned results...
Remember, I changed the following:
Pacesetter 1 3/4" to TSP 1 7/8"
Pacesetter ORY to TSP ORY
Flowmaster to Magnaflow catback
96mm Typhoon for a FAST 102mm
92mm FAST tb to 102mm FAST tb
oil
Also I added an LS6 PCV, a catch can and cold air. I left before I could get a dyno chart but it had broken (in more ways than one) 460whp and 454 (?) wtq from 422/429 on the same dyno with all kinds of gains under the curves. I'm hoping to see the graphs today, I'll post tomorrow if I do.
Remember, I changed the following:
Pacesetter 1 3/4" to TSP 1 7/8"
Pacesetter ORY to TSP ORY
Flowmaster to Magnaflow catback
96mm Typhoon for a FAST 102mm
92mm FAST tb to 102mm FAST tb
oil
Also I added an LS6 PCV, a catch can and cold air. I left before I could get a dyno chart but it had broken (in more ways than one) 460whp and 454 (?) wtq from 422/429 on the same dyno with all kinds of gains under the curves. I'm hoping to see the graphs today, I'll post tomorrow if I do.
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nm on the above post, read your dyno thread.
mealon, take a look at the '99 in my sig, i am picking that up soon next wknd actually. the guy also built to for longevity but i think it is waaaayyyy restricted. quick run down:
lq4, volant twin cone CAI, stock maf, bbk 85/85, 36 lb injectors, AFR 205's milled to 59cc, prc .650" springs, comp 224 cam with .580ish lift XER lobes, stock bottem end, bbk 1 3/4 LT's and bbk 2.5" ory with magnaflow cat back, aluminum flywheel, built t56, stock 10bolt
plans now include 12 bolt, mamo fast 102 and maybe have him work over the AFR's, still kinda mixed on headers cuz i have heard that the 1 7/8 work against the 205's, not sure there yet, tsp ORY, and a MAMO spec'd cam with UDP........shootin for 500 whp with at least 450 wtq through 12 bolt all motor.
mealon, take a look at the '99 in my sig, i am picking that up soon next wknd actually. the guy also built to for longevity but i think it is waaaayyyy restricted. quick run down:
lq4, volant twin cone CAI, stock maf, bbk 85/85, 36 lb injectors, AFR 205's milled to 59cc, prc .650" springs, comp 224 cam with .580ish lift XER lobes, stock bottem end, bbk 1 3/4 LT's and bbk 2.5" ory with magnaflow cat back, aluminum flywheel, built t56, stock 10bolt
plans now include 12 bolt, mamo fast 102 and maybe have him work over the AFR's, still kinda mixed on headers cuz i have heard that the 1 7/8 work against the 205's, not sure there yet, tsp ORY, and a MAMO spec'd cam with UDP........shootin for 500 whp with at least 450 wtq through 12 bolt all motor.
I am going to be testing the LS6 vs. Ported ls2 vs. Fast 102 (depending on how fast i can come up with the cash)
A guy called me that does "custom ls2 intakes" so he is giving me one with the throttle body to compare against the ls6 and any other manifold i decide to try.
The engine mods are: TEA ported TFS 215s, RapTR cam, LG longtubes, 3in ORX, Vararam intake, and the rest of the goodies.
I will post up results.
A guy called me that does "custom ls2 intakes" so he is giving me one with the throttle body to compare against the ls6 and any other manifold i decide to try.
The engine mods are: TEA ported TFS 215s, RapTR cam, LG longtubes, 3in ORX, Vararam intake, and the rest of the goodies.
I will post up results.
The simplest fix is a FM y-merger (2.5"D /3.5" or 3"D/4") then into a 3.5 or 4" cut-out, then a reducer to mate it up with your 3" cat-back exhaust.
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so does the larger 4 merger create a scavenging effect that improves flow? i've never heard this before, just figured 3" pipe was more then sufficient to flow for any n/a application up till about 600hp. i thought the flowmaster y merger was just to improve the two exhaust paths merge together better.
Sorry to bring up a old thread but I am just wonderring..
You dynoed 430 rwhp with the Typhoon 96 and a 92 mm TB. You had 1 3/4 headers, Pacesetter Y-pipe, and Flowmaster exhaust in 93 degrees of heat?
You dynoed 460rwho with 1 7/8 headers, different ypipe, better flowing catback, cold air intake,and a fast 102 and 102 TB in 63 degrees? Did you add anything else like a bigger MAF or Intake lid?
I would say you gained 15 hp from just the exhaust mods alone if not more. I know my buddy dynoed his camaro through a SLP Duel Duel cat back and then though the open cutout and he gained 20 or so HP. I wonder what your dyno numbers would have looked like with the Magnaflow, TSP headers, and 100mm airlid on your Typhoon setup?
I just ordered a PP 96mm intake and 102 tb. I have a 383 LS1 in my T/A on the LS6 intake with a ported TB. I am gonna get dynoed on a dynojet to see the numbers now and then after the install and retune. Think I spent 550.00 total for the intake, TB, and Fuel Rails. If the intake makes 10-15 more hp and doesnt loose any through the RPM's I think I would be happy with that. If not I will swap it out and get a Fast 92.
So far on a Dynocom Dyno my car made 460rwhp and on a Mustang Dyno it made 410rwhp. On a Dynojet I am hoping for 430ish the way it sits now.
You dynoed 430 rwhp with the Typhoon 96 and a 92 mm TB. You had 1 3/4 headers, Pacesetter Y-pipe, and Flowmaster exhaust in 93 degrees of heat?
You dynoed 460rwho with 1 7/8 headers, different ypipe, better flowing catback, cold air intake,and a fast 102 and 102 TB in 63 degrees? Did you add anything else like a bigger MAF or Intake lid?
I would say you gained 15 hp from just the exhaust mods alone if not more. I know my buddy dynoed his camaro through a SLP Duel Duel cat back and then though the open cutout and he gained 20 or so HP. I wonder what your dyno numbers would have looked like with the Magnaflow, TSP headers, and 100mm airlid on your Typhoon setup?
I just ordered a PP 96mm intake and 102 tb. I have a 383 LS1 in my T/A on the LS6 intake with a ported TB. I am gonna get dynoed on a dynojet to see the numbers now and then after the install and retune. Think I spent 550.00 total for the intake, TB, and Fuel Rails. If the intake makes 10-15 more hp and doesnt loose any through the RPM's I think I would be happy with that. If not I will swap it out and get a Fast 92.
So far on a Dynocom Dyno my car made 460rwhp and on a Mustang Dyno it made 410rwhp. On a Dynojet I am hoping for 430ish the way it sits now.
Last edited by 1998silverbird; Dec 13, 2012 at 10:45 AM.
Just dynoed on a Dynojet last week and my car made 448rwhp and 445rwtq. I am in the process of cleaning up the runners on the PP intake and will start the install next week and get retuned and dynoed. So far I have a 98mm lid, 96mm intake and 102mm tb.. My tuners told me to keep the 85mm maf. If I can get in the 460 rwhp range with spending less then 600.00 total I think I would be happy with that!!
Just bought a PP 96 intake and tb so we'll see how it performs...plan is a lq4 w/ AI H/C package. Not really supper worried about heat soak...had an aluminum edelbrock intake on my mustang before i ripped the motor out and it performed great!
