Header Options
Thread Starter
Launching!
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 270
Likes: 1
Header Options I was looking at my header options and had a guy show me this setup which he uses:
http://www.texas-speed.com/p-291-tex...e-headers.aspx
Those headers plus the Y/gaskets/O2 Extension would be about $919 which sounds like an excellent price to me. ($724 with ORY)
I would prefer to use cats since I've heard it cuts out the raspiness which I really am not a fan of.
So has anyone had any experience with TSP headers?
Would there be any major advantages to going with more expensive brands like hooker, kooks?
Any recommendations for a cat-back system with these headers? I really like a deep rumble tuned sound vs a raspy sound, I am not that worried about loudness since it will not be my dd.
I really like the GMMG exhausts but idk how that will sound with headers vs stock manifold.
Oh yea and when I bought the car it had a flowmaster catback so I'm pretty sure I'll be getting rid of that.
http://www.texas-speed.com/p-291-tex...e-headers.aspx
Those headers plus the Y/gaskets/O2 Extension would be about $919 which sounds like an excellent price to me. ($724 with ORY)
I would prefer to use cats since I've heard it cuts out the raspiness which I really am not a fan of.
So has anyone had any experience with TSP headers?
Would there be any major advantages to going with more expensive brands like hooker, kooks?
Any recommendations for a cat-back system with these headers? I really like a deep rumble tuned sound vs a raspy sound, I am not that worried about loudness since it will not be my dd.
I really like the GMMG exhausts but idk how that will sound with headers vs stock manifold.
Oh yea and when I bought the car it had a flowmaster catback so I'm pretty sure I'll be getting rid of that.
TECH Fanatic
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 1,358
Likes: 0
From: Michigan
Right after I bought my pacesetters...tsp came out with their stainless version..Which are alot cheaper than arh and other stainless brands. Yes, for stainless, their just as good as any other brand. If your concerned about rasp then go with their tsp true dual setup like I and alot of others have. You cannot acheive any rasp with a TD setup compared to a y-pipe catback combo. I've had 2 catbacks (flowmaster&SLP loudmouth) that were both raspy as **** and didn't even compare to TDs. Listen to LS1 sounds to hear different systems. I can tell you that once you hear TDs, you will never want to **** with a y setup ever again. Just research the site alittle, you'll see.
Thread Starter
Launching!
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 270
Likes: 1
Okay, I'd def like to go with true duals but my previous research kind lead me to believe that it can be super expensive due to the over-axle modifications required. I see the true dual setup:
http://www.texas-speed.com/p-372-tex...true-dual.aspx
Any idea how much I would pay for parts/labor to do all of this? I wasn't looking to spend over $2500.
http://www.texas-speed.com/p-372-tex...true-dual.aspx
Any idea how much I would pay for parts/labor to do all of this? I wasn't looking to spend over $2500.
TECH Fanatic
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 1,358
Likes: 0
From: Michigan
You can go dumped, like the system comes... or run it under the axle.. Which is alot more cost effcient than over the axle. http://share.shutterfly.com/action/w...ZNGTJu0bM2bV1Q I had 20 detailed pictures... I just found out my daughter deleted them damm it..
Last edited by justin hover; Feb 25, 2013 at 07:12 PM.
Thread Starter
Launching!
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 270
Likes: 1
How much of a price difference do you think for Under vs Over the axle? If anything, I'd rather buy the parts over a longer period of time an do it right the first time. I'll probably go ahead and buy the headers since TSP seems to be a good compromise between quality and price.
TSP makes some good products no doubt. If you havent done motor mounts yet then make sure you do them with headers. Most people who install tsp's have to remove the steering shaft and the motor mount to get the header to fit anyway. If you're doing motor mounts anyway then the tsps would be a good option.
I just replaced my rusty BBK's lt's with a new set of ARH 1-7/8" the top brands tend to have an easier installing rep then the tsps do. For instance when my buddy did tsp's on his car we removed the motor mount, steering knuckle. oil filter and grinded the k member. Yesterday I simply pulled my BBK's and without removing a thing slid the ARH's into place. In the end the tsp's were going to cost me close to $600 with shipping The arh's cost me just about $200 more and they along with Kooks are built here in the U.S. Which to me is a valuable commodity. The kooks IF you call Maryland speed for a quote, should be a little cheaper than the ARH's.
Also if you have the option go duals anyday of the week over a catback. not only will you not have to buy a y but they will make more power and sounds better (imo). You can run them over or under the axle, it is pretty easily done with 2.5" pipe over the axle on the pass side then you can use your choice of bullet mufflers in the rear. The magnaflow 4" sound very nice if you do a search on here you will find he setup I'm talking about.
I just replaced my rusty BBK's lt's with a new set of ARH 1-7/8" the top brands tend to have an easier installing rep then the tsps do. For instance when my buddy did tsp's on his car we removed the motor mount, steering knuckle. oil filter and grinded the k member. Yesterday I simply pulled my BBK's and without removing a thing slid the ARH's into place. In the end the tsp's were going to cost me close to $600 with shipping The arh's cost me just about $200 more and they along with Kooks are built here in the U.S. Which to me is a valuable commodity. The kooks IF you call Maryland speed for a quote, should be a little cheaper than the ARH's.
Also if you have the option go duals anyday of the week over a catback. not only will you not have to buy a y but they will make more power and sounds better (imo). You can run them over or under the axle, it is pretty easily done with 2.5" pipe over the axle on the pass side then you can use your choice of bullet mufflers in the rear. The magnaflow 4" sound very nice if you do a search on here you will find he setup I'm talking about.
Trending Topics
Thread Starter
Launching!
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 270
Likes: 1
Most people who install tsp's have to remove the steering shaft and the motor mount to get the header to fit anyway. If you're doing motor mounts anyway then the tsps would be a good option.
So, on the over-the-axle setup with 2.5" pipes, do you expect to have to change out the panhard bar? I'm a big fan of Magnaflow, I really like the deep clean tone that their products produce.
Looked at Magnaflow's website, was thinking of going with this?:
http://www.magnaflow.com/02product/s...=main&id=11011
Last edited by s7ven; Mar 2, 2013 at 08:41 AM.
LS1 Tech Stories
The Best V8 Stories One Small Block at Time
Amazing '71 Camaro Restomod Is Modern Muscle Car Under the Skin
Verdad Gallardo
6 Common C5 Corvette Failures and What's Involved In Repairing Them
Pouria Savadkouei
Retro Modern Bandit Pontiac Trans AM Comes With Burt Reynolds' Autograph
Verdad Gallardo
Top 10 Greatest Cadillac V Series Performance Models Ever, Ranked
Pouria Savadkouei
Top 10 Most Powerful Chevy Trucks Ever Made!
Hennessey's New Supercharged Silverado ZR2 Has 700 HP
Verdad Gallardo
Coachbuilt N2A Anteros Is an LS2-Powered C6 Corvette In Italian Clothes
Verdad Gallardo
Awesome K5 Blazer Restomod Comes With C7 Corvette Power
Verdad Gallardo
10 Camaros You Should Never Buy
TECH Fanatic
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 1,358
Likes: 0
From: Michigan
It's a really good idea to replace the motor mounts to prevent pipes from tapping and keeps your motor in place/solid for the extra air that its getting. Their countless threads on how guys regreted not installing them after Lts. You don't have to but it's highly reccomended.
Going over the axle is just for cosmetic looks. It's more labor intensive comparably to running them under the axle. You can't really even see the under the axle look. Plus I think under the axle looks better imo. If someone does see....they know your running a set of top notch duals. Nothing wrong with over the axle but it's gonna cost in most cases...alot more.
Going over the axle is just for cosmetic looks. It's more labor intensive comparably to running them under the axle. You can't really even see the under the axle look. Plus I think under the axle looks better imo. If someone does see....they know your running a set of top notch duals. Nothing wrong with over the axle but it's gonna cost in most cases...alot more.
I cant really comment on the panhard bar as my bassani system runs 1 over the axle and one over. If you dont have too many speed bumps in your area then under the axle is probably fine. if your roads suck i'd recommend over the axle. and ya check out arh or kooks do a lot of searching on here about brands and then make a decision based off that...
i already did motor mounts once and there was no way in hell i wanted to take them apart again. and whattya know i didnt have to lol
i already did motor mounts once and there was no way in hell i wanted to take them apart again. and whattya know i didnt have to lol
Thread Starter
Launching!
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 270
Likes: 1
So I'm really thinking of going with a full Kooks system >.<. I know it's very expensive and probably way more than what I need but I think I'm going to go for it:
Kooks 1 7/8" x 3" Stainless Steel Headers - 1998- 2002 LS1 F-Body (w/Air & EGR)
Header Year 2001-2002 (PT# 6506S-MC)
Include both BMR PT# DSL001 and PHR004
PT# 65-9802-OX-DUAL-CAM - 3" True Dual Exhaust WITHOUT Cats and Dual Tips
O2 Extenders Front 24" O2 Ext. (Pair)
Looking at $2600 for parts and then I guess I'll estimate another $1000 for tuning and installation. I wish I could find a better deal on the parts but I've looked around quite a bit and haven't found anything.
Kooks 1 7/8" x 3" Stainless Steel Headers - 1998- 2002 LS1 F-Body (w/Air & EGR)
Header Year 2001-2002 (PT# 6506S-MC)
Include both BMR PT# DSL001 and PHR004
PT# 65-9802-OX-DUAL-CAM - 3" True Dual Exhaust WITHOUT Cats and Dual Tips
O2 Extenders Front 24" O2 Ext. (Pair)
Looking at $2600 for parts and then I guess I'll estimate another $1000 for tuning and installation. I wish I could find a better deal on the parts but I've looked around quite a bit and haven't found anything.
that looks like a solid list brother and you will be very happy. Any reason you're keeping the egr and air system? With lt's the whole air system purpose kind of goes out the window anyway haha. And also give maryland speed a call on monday. They cant publish their pricing online, but if you call and just say you're from ls1tech i'd be willing to bet they'd knock a few hundered off that price. I think there was someone on here a few months back who paid 21xx for everything on that list
TECH Fanatic
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 1,358
Likes: 0
From: Michigan
If your specifically wanting all stainless....go for it... Though their are much cheaper options. 3600$ is way too much imao for a completed TD system
But for now....You could easily get alternative/custom duals ran for much cheaper. Pacesettters lts/TSP=850$... duals/over or under the axle lets say=500$labor (I got mine under the axle for 150$). Tips 60-150$. If you got money to spend then **** it..buy it..although I've always thought that system is over priced..and reveiws/threads of installing them since they've been out seems like a costly pita.
If my car wasn't a dd I would/will eventually get all stainless for show.
But for now....You could easily get alternative/custom duals ran for much cheaper. Pacesettters lts/TSP=850$... duals/over or under the axle lets say=500$labor (I got mine under the axle for 150$). Tips 60-150$. If you got money to spend then **** it..buy it..although I've always thought that system is over priced..and reveiws/threads of installing them since they've been out seems like a costly pita.
If my car wasn't a dd I would/will eventually get all stainless for show.
way too much cash!! but if you have money like that then I guess who are we to talk...
me personally I would go TSP stainless 1 /78 headers with TSP True duals dumped w/sweet thunders... thats 1,000 in parts and I would install myself.. this set up will net you almost the same HP and sound better than that kooks setup... and you can save 2,600 in money to do other mods...
I just sold some TSP true duals, wish I coulda helped you out...
me personally I would go TSP stainless 1 /78 headers with TSP True duals dumped w/sweet thunders... thats 1,000 in parts and I would install myself.. this set up will net you almost the same HP and sound better than that kooks setup... and you can save 2,600 in money to do other mods...
I just sold some TSP true duals, wish I coulda helped you out...
Thread Starter
Launching!
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 270
Likes: 1
Yea I definitely haven't committed to anything yet. Your idea sounds good as well, I'm going to keep researching until I'm sure what I wanna do.
Unfortunately I'm not very good when it comes to mechanical stuff, I'm more of a computer/electronics geek. I'd love to do all this myself but I'm sure I'd **** it up haha.
Unfortunately I'm not very good when it comes to mechanical stuff, I'm more of a computer/electronics geek. I'd love to do all this myself but I'm sure I'd **** it up haha.
Yea I definitely haven't committed to anything yet. Your idea sounds good as well, I'm going to keep researching until I'm sure what I wanna do.
Unfortunately I'm not very good when it comes to mechanical stuff, I'm more of a computer/electronics geek. I'd love to do all this myself but I'm sure I'd **** it up haha.
Unfortunately I'm not very good when it comes to mechanical stuff, I'm more of a computer/electronics geek. I'd love to do all this myself but I'm sure I'd **** it up haha.
I always say that if you hit up some people in your local area and ask for a hand, you can always shoot them $20-$40 bucks for a couple hrs of help..
heres a good write up with plenty of pics, see if its something your up to.. I find the hardest part of working on my car is finding the time...
https://ls1tech.com/forums/generatio...otsa-pics.html
I have kooks headers and their ory and love them. The fitment was amazing. I run a gmmg out back and I wouldn't have it any other way. I would say go with kooks but arh are just as nice.
It all works it way out in the end either way
i had true duals dumped with my kooks 1 7/8 headers perfect sound... no clearance at all...
now im even lower so i sold my tds..
now im selling my kooks at a very nice price im even including the bosch 13111 02 sensors
now im even lower so i sold my tds..
now im selling my kooks at a very nice price im even including the bosch 13111 02 sensors