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Old Nov 11, 2014 | 08:57 AM
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Yeah, that's what it looks like when you use a socket to beat it in.
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Old Nov 11, 2014 | 09:17 AM
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Ok.....after a sleepless night (I'm a very anxious person by nature) I have decided to order a Mcloed oilite bronze pilot bushing, ordered the tools needed to check bellhousing alignment within .003, and run it. The fact that the O.D. of the input shaft is unaltered gives me confidence it will ride fine in the new bushing (and the fact the I.D. of the old bushing is un-scored. The freeplay in the input shaft is minimal, not sure how to measure that play.....
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Old Nov 12, 2014 | 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by LS2FD3S
Ok.....after a sleepless night (I'm a very anxious person by nature) I have decided to order a Mcloed oilite bronze pilot bushing, ordered the tools needed to check bellhousing alignment within .003, and run it. The fact that the O.D. of the input shaft is unaltered gives me confidence it will ride fine in the new bushing (and the fact the I.D. of the old bushing is un-scored. The freeplay in the input shaft is minimal, not sure how to measure that play.....
Good move. Probably could have found one cheaper but that should serve you well.
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Old Nov 13, 2014 | 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by LS2FD3S
it's 100% for sure a bushing, like I said it has a practically new clutch kit in it, I'm assuming the bushing came with that kit whoever put the clutch in. I just don't like the fact that the needle bearings can falter and destroy your input shaft
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Go with the bushing, an oil impregnated one. Trust me, I had a bearing fail and it sucked having to tear the whole thing apart again just replace that little bearing. The bushings don't fail.
Most if not all of the time, you will hear noise before a bearing fails. People who talk about theirs failing and destroying their input probably either 1) Don't listen to their car closely for odd noises or 2) Heard it, ignored it and paid the price for it, and now rant about how terrible bearings are.

There is a reason major clutch manufacturers here send you a new bearing when you install a clutch. Ask Steve at Monster, Jason at TDP, etc. These guys know bearings are for drivers and bushings are for racers who don't mind pulling a trans every 10k.

OP, I hope it works for you. My personal experience is that a bushing will fail in about 8-10K of regular driving. The good news is that, if it does fail, all it is is a pain in the butt to pull the trans and switch to a bearing.
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Old Nov 13, 2014 | 05:37 PM
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Well one good thing is its not a daily driver, it maybe comes out once or twice a week to run to the gym 1 mile away. Trip to a car show or weekend drive with the old lady will be the only real miles.
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Originally Posted by LS2FD3S
Well one good thing is its not a daily driver, it maybe comes out once or twice a week to run to the gym 1 mile away. Trip to a car show or weekend drive with the old lady will be the only real miles.
Sounds like you should get some time with it then. Hope it works out.
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Old Nov 14, 2014 | 08:06 AM
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OP, I hope it works for you. My personal experience is that a bushing will fail in about 8-10K of regular driving. The good news is that, if it does fail, all it is is a pain in the butt to pull the trans and switch to a bearing.
8-10k?? You must have been using a cheap bushing. An oiled bronze bushing will serve you for as long as the clutch. Bearings are a b*tch to get in and if you beat on them too much, they're junk. Also, the tolerances are horrible since most if not all are chinese. Bushings are failsafe. even if a bushing does wear out and you keep driving, your input shaft won't get destroyed like a bearing. they went to bearings because believe it or not, they are cheaper to manufacture because of the high copper (bronze) prices.
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Old Nov 14, 2014 | 12:42 PM
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I'm with you on this one.
Bushings have been used for decades. Never had one fail before the clutch and I just change them when a new clutch goes in. I don't think I've ever got less than 60K miles on a clutch either for a DD.

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8-10k?? You must have been using a cheap bushing. An oiled bronze bushing will serve you for as long as the clutch. Bearings are a b*tch to get in and if you beat on them too much, they're junk. Also, the tolerances are horrible since most if not all are chinese. Bushings are failsafe. even if a bushing does wear out and you keep driving, your input shaft won't get destroyed like a bearing. they went to bearings because believe it or not, they are cheaper to manufacture because of the high copper (bronze) prices.
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Originally Posted by LS2FD3S
Ok.....after a sleepless night (I'm a very anxious person by nature) I have decided to order a Mcloed oilite bronze pilot bushing, ordered the tools needed to check bellhousing alignment within .003, and run it. The fact that the O.D. of the input shaft is unaltered gives me confidence it will ride fine in the new bushing (and the fact the I.D. of the old bushing is un-scored. The freeplay in the input shaft is minimal, not sure how to measure that play.....
RockAuto has the bushings for $2.20.
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Old Nov 16, 2014 | 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by LS1MCSS
RockAuto has the bushings for $2.20.
well I got the Mcloed bushing in and it is super magnetic as well, so I went out and picked up a national bushings bronze unit that Looks to be just what I need.
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A good bushing should not be magnetic at all.

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Old Nov 17, 2014 | 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Project GatTagO
A good bushing should not be magnetic at all.

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Pure bronze is not magnetic but from what I heard, this is not what matters in a good bushing. It depends on whether it is oil impregnated bronze or not. The oil provides lubrication.
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