you cant get highflow cats on the Y pipe, I dont think edelbrock offers one, since these are drag race headers, no emissions although they send you the hookup to weld emissions onto the headers

 

Hows the ground clearance with these?

 

I'm glad you reminded me of them. For some reason I thought they were out of business or just moved. They quoted me 225 coated inside and out. Does that seem about right? I don't know what jet hot would charge, plus shipping. So for under $700 you can have coated edelbrocks and a good fitting y pipe - seems like a good deal to me.

mike

 

First off, ohhiitnnick I think you are getting way ahead of yourself...

They own Pacesetter's in every say??? Why is that? B/c your buddy either can't drive or has something seriously wrong with his car?? Where the dyno charts or before and after time slips to prove these flow so much better or make so much more power. Most people agree LT's are all insignificantly close in power gains, unless maybe you get up in the 500+rwhp range. Either way, wheres the proof. this is all just talk/hype about a header thats new on the market right now.

Now as far as the Pacestter's, they are a proven performer. There are lots of threads about how much people like their Pacesetters and some with actual power gains. The new versions are known to install very easy. They are known to have good clearance and they are known to dyno just as well as any other LT's out there.

Now as far as price, THEY ARE NOT CHEAPER THAN PACESETTER'S. These Edelbrocks are uncoated. The uncoated Pacestters are in fact cheaper than the Edlebrocks. How in the world can you compare coated headers price to an uncoated headers price in that way?? You are sitting here saying yourself they will only be good for 2 years, yet you want to compare the price to the coated pacestters which will last a LOT longer?? lol.

As far as the Y-pipe, yes the pacesetter Y-pipe is known to be junk, but everyone now is ordering the TSP Y-pipe which is known to fit very well. I just ordered the coated Pacesetter LT's w/the TSP Y-pipe $560 to my door. Cant beat that for getting coated LT's & a good fitting Y-pipe.

To the original poster of the thread, congrats on the new headers. i'm not trying to put them down, just saying the comparison some people are making to the pacesetter's is way off base.

 

I have to agree with you. I'm not expecting major gains over other headers on my pretty stock car (catback, lid and ported tb). I will have track results showing the only difference in my car being the addition of these headers soon. I can't really afford to do back to back dynos or I would do that also.

 

i'm still waiting for that website about coated edelbrocks...all talk and absolutly no proof/info...and it's well understood that all lt headers produce within ~5hp of each other....700$ for an edelbrock that is coated is a good deal...haha you could get kooks or qtp's stainless headers for that cheap...i'm sure they are better qualitly fit and will last much longer...nice looking headers btw...hope they do well for you

 

The Edelbrock header is a very nice piece that makes good HP. There are not to many manufactures that are building a nice header that works with few or no flaws for a decent price. A coated header is better than painted, for two reasons. It will prevent them from rusting, but it also keeps temp. under the hood down. Also in Edelbrocks corner is, they are a stepped header (1 3/4 to 1 7/8). Unless you want to pay over $700.00, Edelbrock is about your only choice. Plus you have a choice of emissions or not. I was just looking in the Edelbrock catalog & it says they will fit 1998-02, so there should be the correct fittings for any year F body. Sorry to ramble on, but I just wanted to say, for a header that is in the Flowtech, Pacesetter, Hooker price range you get alot more! If anyone is interested in pricing let me know. I have a sale going on just about anything in stock untill the 28th (inventoy time )

 

Yeah they moved to 39th exprwy & tulsa... That's where I had mine done at... They do great work & will take about a week to do.


Mike

 

I'm not trying to compare these to kooks or qtps. Edelbrocks are NOT available coated from edelbrock. I don't know if I will have them coated, I just posted that in case people were wondering. QTPs are about 1300 for the version with the merge collector and another 300 for the y pipe. My headers would be much less than 700 shipped (I'm not saying what I paid) WITH the y pipe (and all needed accessories) IF I had them coated. I know kooks and qtps are excellent quality but if all long tubes do perform within 5hp of each other like you said then I don't see the point in spending another $900 ($1125 if I don't coat them).... especially on a 165k mile 98 camaro.

 

KJ, I don't doubt its a nice piece and that it make good hp (any LT's make good hp). However, now talking about taking the Edelbrock headers and getting them coated. You say you get "a lot more" ? The only thing I can see that you get "more" is the stepped design, which I can agree will likely be better for guys with big HP numbers. But you also pay "a lot more." You say you get your choice of emissions or not? I thought they only came in a race version? Either Way Pacesetter's also come in a race version or Emission version (both are same price)

So again, the only thing I see right now that you get more is the stepped design which will only benefit the real big HP guys. In the end, with the coating you also pay a lot more for the Edelbrock in comparison to the pacesetter's.

Until we see some dyno comparisons, I don't think we can automatically assume these are gonna flow better than the Pacesetters for your average bolt-on, cam only guys.... Not even certain on the H/C guys for that matter...

Again, I am not saying Edelbrocks are bad or a rip off...not by a long shot. Edelbrock is a good name, no doubt. I just think some exaggerated of incorrect comparisons are being made.

 

Ok, this was my reasoning on these headers. First, I like to try new things. Second, I believe these headers will still be a great header if and when I get a stroker or just heads/cam. In addition it has a merge collector which is about a $500 dollar option on QTPs. If I was to get them coated they wouldn't be much more than pacesetters. Pacesetters are 375-400 depending on where you get them. You should get the TSP y pipe for 145 and I don't believe they come with o2 extensions so that's another 40 and then shipping adds about another 40. So that is 600-625 which is not much less than what I would pay IF I got mine coated.

 

I'm sorry about that...i didn't see the part about the y-pipe being included in the 700$...i knew something didn't add up..haha...but yeah i really have yet to find out why people would opt for the really expensive headers...except when they have big engines...then i'm sure a larger diameter or stepped headers will improve performance by quite a bit more than a regular...

 

I have a set of these. Mine needed the merge collector ported. There was welding slag at the tip of the velocity cone and at the smallest point of the merge collector. These are not bolt on headers for sure. You need to weld the collector to the header. The merge collector to the extentions then weld 5 emission fittings on. At least thats what i had to do. After all this i still have to have a custom exhaust built. The y pipe i was told wont fit because i added the collector extentions.

Still even with all the work i think this design is really good.
Every post i see says there a easy install too.I feel i bought the best designed header made for our cars.

Im going to get mine jet hot coated. Their really too nice to let rust.

 

man that seems like way too much work and extra money...

 

Ok, that looks a lot better and I would say makes it about even with The Pacesetters in terms of value, depending on what you are looking for. Although it looks like the Pacesetter TSP y-pipe combo looks a lot more plug and play friendly.

Either way, I can agree that BOTH these and Pacesetters appear to be a great LT value for people who don't want/need Stainless.

 

ohhiitznik - I did not understand your reply - model year 2000
and catatlytic converters are available?

Gert

 

My question is about the O2 sensore bungs. I guess you have to tap the collector and weld on the bung... are there any templates or anything to make sure you put it in the correct location?

Any pics of a 'ready to install' set, i.e. the O2's welded on since I don't need air or egr, that would be great. PM or email me would be best.

 

Yeah, I was wondering the same myself. If anyone have pics with the o2 bungs already welded in, either post it or pm me.

 

I thought the O2 bungs would go in the Y pipe with the Edelbrocks (due to the merge collector being in the same spot that the bung would normally go. Maybe not.

 

Ttt!!