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Old Jun 11, 2005 | 01:21 PM
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i just installed pacesetter headers, and y pipe, no exhaust yet, its in the mail somewhere. but i went out for the first ride, got on it from a stop, and it barely burns out, before i couldnt give more than 1/4 throttle in first or it would roast the tires after that. Could i have lost that much torque down low? or could there be somethign wrong?, it seems ot pull smooth up top, but not sure if its faster....thanks
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Old Jun 11, 2005 | 01:24 PM
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probley your o2 sensors are scewed up.
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Old Jun 11, 2005 | 04:26 PM
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I'm with Lithium. Did you install rear O2 simms? Is it setting off any codes? If so go to autozone and they'll read the codes for free then let us know.
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Old Jun 11, 2005 | 07:31 PM
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I'm with Lithium. Did you install rear O2 simms? Is it setting off any codes? If so go to autozone and they'll read the codes for free then let us know.
no rear o2 sims, i already have light on for air and egr removal so i didnt think it would matter if i didnt have rear o2s, my friend has a ob2 scanner so ill have to call him up and see. thanks for the help
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Old Jun 11, 2005 | 08:48 PM
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no rear o2's won't cause any performance loss. I suggest you unplug the battery for about 10 mins to do a PCM reset. Take it for a long drive, like 30 min. After she's warmed up, go WOT a few times. Give the PCM a chance to adjust to your mods.

Also, check and then double check your plugs and wires.
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Old Jun 11, 2005 | 08:49 PM
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Its because you are running it open headers and there is no backpressure.

Today I installed the block off plate in my borla catback forcing all the exhaust through the muffler and noticed a SIGNIFICANT gain in part throttle acceleration and response. I think the cut out just flowed TOO well and at low rpms and small throttle %s, it just didn't have enough back pressure.

Get your exhaust on, tune it and see how it feels. I think thats your problem though.
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Old Jun 11, 2005 | 08:57 PM
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Gonna have to disagree with the no backpressure arguement. My car ran like a raped ape w/ open headers. W/ my cutout open there's no loss as compared w/ through my magnaflow (which flows really well to begin with). Anyways, open headers vs. full exhaust will not make more than maybe a 15 horse difference on a stock internal car. The way your making it sound as far as burning out is that you're off like 25+ horses down low which is NOT due to open headers...something else isn't right.
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Old Jun 11, 2005 | 09:03 PM
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Gonna have to disagree with the no backpressure arguement. My car ran like a raped ape w/ open headers.
Ya no doubt they will run harder with open headers at WOT, especially at high rpms but down low, torque WILL suffer, especially at part throttle %s.. My car lost HUGE torque and low end HP in the seat of the pants(and 1st gear burn out capability) when I went from a lid/catback to cam/headers/OR-Y and tuning.. BUT the dyno chart does not indicate that. It shows to be making 300+lbs tq at 2800rpms now but it FEELS much weaker and my 60's and 330's are indicating the same.. Now I need 4.10s to make it feel remotely close to stock tq down low..
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Old Jun 11, 2005 | 09:32 PM
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well i havent gotten her scanned yet, but i did a run on my gtech pro, i know there not the most accurate things but before headers, i ran a 13.7 with a friend in the car, now today i run it and i pull a 13.09 with 2.2 60ft at 111mph..so i think it must be making more power, but a 3.73s would probably help me im thinking.

maybe the computer is learning cause i unplugged the battery.. so i was tired when i initially took it out, but it does feel stronger now, specially if that gtech pro is anywhere near acurate.
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Old Jun 11, 2005 | 09:46 PM
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The G-techs are relatively accurate on ET's if you take care to give it the best test conditions possible. They are also relatively consistent. All told they are a better guestimate tool than I would have thought.
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Originally Posted by Vortec5300
Its because you are running it open headers and there is no backpressure.

Today I installed the block off plate in my borla catback forcing all the exhaust through the muffler and noticed a SIGNIFICANT gain in part throttle acceleration and response. I think the cut out just flowed TOO well and at low rpms and small throttle %s, it just didn't have enough back pressure.

Get your exhaust on, tune it and see how it feels. I think thats your problem though.
I fully agree.

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Old Jun 12, 2005 | 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Vortec5300
Its because you are running it open headers and there is no backpressure.

Today I installed the block off plate in my borla catback forcing all the exhaust through the muffler and noticed a SIGNIFICANT gain in part throttle acceleration and response. I think the cut out just flowed TOO well and at low rpms and small throttle %s, it just didn't have enough back pressure.

Get your exhaust on, tune it and see how it feels. I think thats your problem though.
It's not backpressure you want. You NEVER want back pressure.

You are confusing backpresssure with exhaust gas velocity. In an all out, full throttle situation the least restrictive exhaust is usually faster, BTW.
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