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Old Feb 2, 2006 | 02:35 PM
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ok well once again, theres a lot of talk about how bad they are but no flow data to back anything up. Can anyone post either valid flow numbers or back to back Flowmaster vs <insert catback here>? If not we are all speculating...

I've heard of people swearing they lost 30rwhp by putting on a flowmaster, and I've seen people who said their cutout didn't make any difference over the flowmaster...until someone can do that simple test, I'm not going to toss my flowmaster away
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Old Feb 2, 2006 | 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by GR33N GoblinM6
TSP rumbler.. 200$.. cant beat that deal anywhere...
Agreed. It was $229 or something shipped.
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Old Feb 2, 2006 | 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by magius231
ok well once again, theres a lot of talk about how bad they are but no flow data to back anything up. Can anyone post either valid flow numbers or back to back Flowmaster vs <insert catback here>? If not we are all speculating...

I've heard of people swearing they lost 30rwhp by putting on a flowmaster, and I've seen people who said their cutout didn't make any difference over the flowmaster...until someone can do that simple test, I'm not going to toss my flowmaster away
The search button sucks and isn't gonna help in researching the proof. I think anybody who'e been around here long enough and seen the flowmaster come up short over and over again. I've seen many dynos showing this also. I think I posted earlier in this thread about a guy here in town that gains 25-30rwhp through cutouts vs. flowmaster. He has all the bolt ons and a medium sized reverse split cam. It's not rocket science either. Have you ever compared the insides of a flowmaster to a magnaflow? Time to face the truth buddy.
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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 05:37 AM
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face the truth? prove it
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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 06:20 AM
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My buddy actually lost 37 rwhp on motor through his flowmaster, and 57 rwhp on n20 through the flowmaster. I just sold my custom cme to this guy that had a flowmaster catback on his Z28, and he said that he could feel the difference big time.
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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 06:42 AM
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i have the mufflex 4 inch y pipe and catback(flowmaster muffler) before i had the y pipe i had the stocker with a cutout i dynoed with it closed and open, only a 3 hp gain with the cutout open, im guessing this is because of it not being the crossflow flowmaster though?
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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 11:16 AM
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Where did you get tsp rumbler for $229 shipped?
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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by magius231
face the truth? prove it

Too bad the search button doesn't work, or I would. It's been proven time and time again. If I had time right now to google it, I would. Just do a google and I'm sure you'll find dyno's and all the proof you need. Do some searching and you will be able to proove it to yourself. Don't defend the flowmaster just because you own one. No offense, but there is just no denying that they are a poorly flowing design. I already told you about how my friend gains 25+rwhp with open cutouts. Sorry I don't have a dyno graph, you'll just have to take my word on this. I'm not just making it up because I have some anti-flowmaster agenda! Look at the guy who posted below me and lost 37 rwhp.

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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by LS1dirtybird00
Where did you get tsp rumbler for $229 shipped?
probably the only place its made silly... Texas Speed & Performance. 200$ does not include tips but they are available to buy.. cost me $225 shipped. I ordered mine yesterday without tips.
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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 01:48 PM
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i looked at the tsp but from sounds on ls1 sounds.com it kinda sounded shitty at least to me it had a cheap high pitched noise not a low grumble
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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 03:38 PM
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According to TSP web site they list for $409. I would love to find them for $225.
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Originally Posted by Redneck Z
Too bad the search button doesn't work, or I would. It's been proven time and time again. If I had time right now to google it, I would. Just do a google and I'm sure you'll find dyno's and all the proof you need. Do some searching and you will be able to proove it to yourself. Don't defend the flowmaster just because you own one. No offense, but there is just no denying that they are a poorly flowing design. I already told you about how my friend gains 25+rwhp with open cutouts. Sorry I don't have a dyno graph, you'll just have to take my word on this. I'm not just making it up because I have some anti-flowmaster agenda! Look at the guy who posted below me and lost 37 rwhp.
yeah, but thats the problem, theres a lot of "my buddy's friend's former roomate lost this" but noone actually comes up with any proof or dyno sheets. How do we know you didn't dyno in 30* temps one day and 70* temps 4 months later?

I'm not defending anything, I bought the Flowmaster because I like the way it sounds, nothing more. I know that typically Flowmasters haven't been the most free flowing mufflers around and are designed around a mildly modified bolt on car, but I'm having serious issues believing that someone lost almost 40rwhp from a muffler. But then again, if all they do is talk and never show any dyno sheets, it really doesn't matter because they can say whatever they want can't they?
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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 10:38 PM
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exactly what i wanna see i belive there better exhausts but i wanna see some proof that they are this amazingly horrible
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