Harrop Intake ?
Originally Posted by Quickin
You may be very surprised. Not all manufacturers are looking to rip people off. The Harrop is nice too but there's no way in hell $5,000 is justified. They're making a few thousand profit for sure.
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Back on track, i'll be watching the progress of this intake because it's new and different. It sure looks sweet. I look forward to seeing how the MAF works with it. Maybe it HAS to be tuned with SD tuning. I'll be interested in seing how long it takes to have injectors plumbed for a DP nitrous system!!
Originally Posted by Quickin
The Harrop is nice too but there's no way in hell $5,000 is justified.
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Originally Posted by Tim @ EAD Performance
R&D is not cheap. I'm sure the manifold doesn't cost near that to manufacture, but by time you factor in all the time and labor in the research and development, you need to have a high mark up to make any money back. Look back to just a couple of years ago and see how much a head/cam package used to cost. Now you can make twice the power for 1/2 the cost.
Because right now that R&D outlay is just sitting there as a negative and they aren't selling diddly.
Simple marketing principles.
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Originally Posted by Cop Car
$5000 is justified 100% if a $1500 FAST is justified even just a bit. ITB intakes are the very best of everything. i plan on having one someday...
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The Harrop looks like a top notch piece. Very well thought out design with killer results. Bottom line, speed ain't cheap. With the gains possible on a motor with very free flowing heads I think the price is completely reasonable. Why drop 5 grand on a set of heads and then either have to drop comparable big dollars on a sheet metal intake that isn't very streetable or choke the life out of the flow with a FAST. Doesn't make sense. ITB's are where it's at for keeping up with the flow rates of available cylinder heads. The Harrop doesn't seem like a 'for the masses' type of product. It's for a select few who want quality, performance and driveability AND are willing to pay for it, bottom line. And as far as that intake that is going to be 'way cheaper and better' than the Harrop, how about an actual finished product picture instead of an unfinished CAD drawing that doesn't even illustrate a throttle linkage setup. Well time to climb off my soap box. Not trying to start an internet pissing match with anybody, just had to put my two cents in.
Originally Posted by Quickin
I think $1,500 for a FAST is hilarious for the gain it offers. They would sell twice as many if the price was cut almost in half and make MORE profit.
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in addition you can get a 106 LSA car to idle like stock
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Originally Posted by Tecknique2006
The Harrop looks like a top notch piece. Very well thought out design with killer results. Bottom line, speed ain't cheap. With the gains possible on a motor with very free flowing heads I think the price is completely reasonable. Why drop 5 grand on a set of heads and then either have to drop comparable big dollars on a sheet metal intake that isn't very streetable or choke the life out of the flow with a FAST. Doesn't make sense. ITB's are where it's at for keeping up with the flow rates of available cylinder heads. The Harrop doesn't seem like a 'for the masses' type of product. It's for a select few who want quality, performance and driveability AND are willing to pay for it, bottom line. And as far as that intake that is going to be 'way cheaper and better' than the Harrop, how about an actual finished product picture instead of an unfinished CAD drawing that doesn't even illustrate a throttle linkage setup. Well time to climb off my soap box. Not trying to start an internet pissing match with anybody, just had to put my two cents in.
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Any new products for the LSx platform that truly perform are great IMO. Not to mention the fact that competition breeds more performance for less dollars. Not bashing the product, but I want to see a finished production run piece, not an unfinished rendering. 
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Originally Posted by Cop Car
FAST gains on a stock motor are like 2hp. gains with a harrop on a stock motor is 20hp. id rather spend $500 to get 20 hp, than $1500 to get 2hp.
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Originally Posted by Tecknique2006
Any new products for the LSx platform that truly perform are great IMO. Not to mention the fact that competition breeds more performance for less dollars. Not bashing the product, but I want to see a finished production run piece, not an unfinished rendering.
hundreds of people will see it this weekend and most likely my new engine will have the first, since Jenvey asked my builder to be the USA distributor a couple weeks ago.
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a cheap ITB would be great. I dont believe half the crap I read about them. If a builder wants to test one on my car I would be more than happy but I am not going to spend 4k to find out if it is any better. The only thing I find on these intakes is cars that drive in circles. Until I see a cheap one or real proof that they make more power I will keep my ported victor that is proven.
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Originally Posted by ls1408cp
a cheap ITB would be great. I dont believe half the crap I read about them. If a builder wants to test one on my car I would be more than happy but I am not going to spend 4k to find out if it is any better. The only thing I find on these intakes is cars that drive in circles. Until I see a cheap one or real proof that they make more power I will keep my ported victor that is proven.
Ken Nunn told me they did a 427ci LS6 with ported LS6 heads and the Harrop intake with a cam in the high 230's 106 lsa, over 600 RWHP almost a year ago. You can hear the car idle in a video on their site.
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Originally Posted by ls1408cp
I havent seen any fast cars on here with one have you.
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Harrop is like buying Ralph Lauren. Your paying for a nice, quality, design that is proven. They charge more because they can. The Hockos and the other shown here may be just as nice, but from the designs of both, they seem to be a little more "simple" than the Harrop. By that I mean neither of the others have a common center plenum made into the unit that holds the throttle linkage. Small things like that add to the price. I'm always interested in new, cheaper, alternatives, and I hope these other designs work out well. I'm very interested in seeing real pics. As for Harrop loosing buisness over here, I doubt they've even sold 10 intakes in the US. Were not there major source of income. They have a big name in Aussie, and that's were there income comes from. They have alot of other quality parts besides intakes as well.
Originally Posted by ls1408cp
I would like to get the specs and dyno sheet from that car. I think it is a unicorn. I havent seen any fast cars on here with one have you.
Originally Posted by Quickin
"On here"....what makes you think this is the best place to look for LSx performance. Unless their just lying about their cars over there in Aussie, which they're not, they have been making more power than people in the USA for a long time with LSx stuff.
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Originally Posted by ls1408cp
How fast is their fastest na car? I have seen the fast na setups in the us and no harrops. I am just saying they are not proven here or does anybody know alot about them no. Do you have any time slips and specs on fast na cars in kangaroo land? Most likely not, you are just guessing. Sent cary at et a pm and no reply. I have talked to a builder or two and heard nothing impressive about these intakes. I am almost done with some more work on the victor and expect another 20-30hp na. If they make 70hp over a fast 90 the gap is closing fast. The only car or two on here close with my setup but with a fast 90 make 50 less rwhp though power robbing parts.
I sent Cary at ET a couple e-mails and I get nothing back either. Tried another persons e-mail there, and still nothing. Sometimes you have to have a credit card ready and make a phone call to get any responses lately.
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