Anything you can buy, is worth to you, what you pay for it. The early adopters who have lots of money will buy this without hesitation. All this is probably Ebay 101 or something.

Back on track, i'll be watching the progress of this intake because it's new and different. It sure looks sweet. I look forward to seeing how the MAF works with it. Maybe it HAS to be tuned with SD tuning. I'll be interested in seing how long it takes to have injectors plumbed for a DP nitrous system!!

 

R&D is not cheap. I'm sure the manifold doesn't cost near that to manufacture, but by time you factor in all the time and labor in the research and development, you need to have a high mark up to make any money back. Look back to just a couple of years ago and see how much a head/cam package used to cost. Now you can make twice the power for 1/2 the cost.

 

$5000 is justified 100% if a $1500 FAST is justified even just a bit. ITB intakes are the very best of everything. i plan on having one someday...

 

Wouldn't you rather sell 1,000 units for say a fair price of $2,750.......than sell 100 for $5,000. As you said, they don't cost that much to manufacture, therefore once they start moving product at high quantities that R&D outlay of cash will come back faster.

Because right now that R&D outlay is just sitting there as a negative and they aren't selling diddly.

Simple marketing principles.


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I think $1,500 for a FAST is hilarious for the gain it offers. They would sell twice as many if the price was cut almost in half and make MORE profit.

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The Harrop looks like a top notch piece. Very well thought out design with killer results. Bottom line, speed ain't cheap. With the gains possible on a motor with very free flowing heads I think the price is completely reasonable. Why drop 5 grand on a set of heads and then either have to drop comparable big dollars on a sheet metal intake that isn't very streetable or choke the life out of the flow with a FAST. Doesn't make sense. ITB's are where it's at for keeping up with the flow rates of available cylinder heads. The Harrop doesn't seem like a 'for the masses' type of product. It's for a select few who want quality, performance and driveability AND are willing to pay for it, bottom line. And as far as that intake that is going to be 'way cheaper and better' than the Harrop, how about an actual finished product picture instead of an unfinished CAD drawing that doesn't even illustrate a throttle linkage setup. Well time to climb off my soap box. Not trying to start an internet pissing match with anybody, just had to put my two cents in.

 

FAST gains on a stock motor are like 2hp. gains with a harrop on a stock motor is 20hp. id rather spend $500 to get 20 hp, than $1500 to get 2hp.

in addition you can get a 106 LSA car to idle like stock

 

If you read more than a couple posts you will see that I said: The shop thats building my new engine in Lauderdale just built a display using this new intake bolted to a pair of heads for the PRI show in Orlando this weekend. Its brand new. You'll be hearing alot about it starting Monday.

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Any new products for the LSx platform that truly perform are great IMO. Not to mention the fact that competition breeds more performance for less dollars. Not bashing the product, but I want to see a finished production run piece, not an unfinished rendering.

 

what? What you said makes no sense. I would also rather spend less to get more.





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read post 28.

hundreds of people will see it this weekend and most likely my new engine will have the first, since Jenvey asked my builder to be the USA distributor a couple weeks ago.


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a cheap ITB would be great. I dont believe half the crap I read about them. If a builder wants to test one on my car I would be more than happy but I am not going to spend 4k to find out if it is any better. The only thing I find on these intakes is cars that drive in circles. Until I see a cheap one or real proof that they make more power I will keep my ported victor that is proven.

 

The proof is in Austrailia, its been done already and they offer MASSIVE gains over the LSx intakes and FAST intakes......MASSIVE.

Ken Nunn told me they did a 427ci LS6 with ported LS6 heads and the Harrop intake with a cam in the high 230's 106 lsa, over 600 RWHP almost a year ago. You can hear the car idle in a video on their site.

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I would like to get the specs and dyno sheet from that car. I think it is a unicorn. I havent seen any fast cars on here with one have you.

 

"On here"....what makes you think this is the best place to look for LSx performance. Unless their just lying about their cars over there in Aussie, which they're not, they have been making more power than people in the USA for a long time with LSx stuff.


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Harrop is like buying Ralph Lauren. Your paying for a nice, quality, design that is proven. They charge more because they can. The Hockos and the other shown here may be just as nice, but from the designs of both, they seem to be a little more "simple" than the Harrop. By that I mean neither of the others have a common center plenum made into the unit that holds the throttle linkage. Small things like that add to the price. I'm always interested in new, cheaper, alternatives, and I hope these other designs work out well. I'm very interested in seeing real pics. As for Harrop loosing buisness over here, I doubt they've even sold 10 intakes in the US. Were not there major source of income. They have a big name in Aussie, and that's were there income comes from. They have alot of other quality parts besides intakes as well.

 

The specs have been givin out already. I thought Ken asked you to e-mail him and he would send you the graph from said car? You haven't seen any fast cars on here with one, because no one has one running. These intakes are no myth. Some of the best builders on here have said that they are the only way to go. You have a right to be skeptical because it's not to common over here, but the results are out there. I'm just glad the Vic jr. isn't the "proven" intake in my neck of the woods. People got shot around here for converting carb intakes to fit a FI ride.....

 

How fast is their fastest na car? I have seen the fast na setups in the us and no harrops. I am just saying they are not proven here or does anybody know alot about them no. Do you have any time slips and specs on fast na cars in kangaroo land? Most likely not, you are just guessing. Sent cary at et a pm and no reply. I have talked to a builder or two and heard nothing impressive about these intakes. I am almost done with some more work on the victor and expect another 20-30hp na. If they make 70hp over a fast 90 the gap is closing fast. The only car or two on here close with my setup but with a fast 90 make 50 less rwhp though power robbing parts.

 

I don't think the Assuies are as much into drag racing as the USA is. Sheet metal intakes are what ALL the baddest drag cars use in this country, ALL of them. And way up in the rpm's, sheet metals work great for them. The Aussies have alot of badass street cars running around with over 600 RWHP, and have been for a couple years. We here haven't even broke the 600 RWHP barrier unless its an all out radical engine or just lies.

I sent Cary at ET a couple e-mails and I get nothing back either. Tried another persons e-mail there, and still nothing. Sometimes you have to have a credit card ready and make a phone call to get any responses lately.


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The appeal to the Harrop is the low end driveability and making huge gains up top.