Ported Throttle Body, can you SEE the difference?
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Ported Throttle Body, can you SEE the difference? Guys,
I took my throttle body off last week when I was cleaning my car and running the top-end cleaner through it. I was just tinkering around and decided to take it off. It looked totally unmolested to me, but I was told I was given a ported throttle body about 1 1/2 years ago. I never bothered to check since I tend to believe people. The gentleman who did my cam said that he also installed a ported throttle body but now I have my doubts. My friend checked it out and I looked at his bone stock throttle body and mine looked identical to his. Am I missing something? I took pics of the two side by side. If I posted them, would you guys be able to show me where mine was ported? Maybe I am just an idiot?
I took my throttle body off last week when I was cleaning my car and running the top-end cleaner through it. I was just tinkering around and decided to take it off. It looked totally unmolested to me, but I was told I was given a ported throttle body about 1 1/2 years ago. I never bothered to check since I tend to believe people. The gentleman who did my cam said that he also installed a ported throttle body but now I have my doubts. My friend checked it out and I looked at his bone stock throttle body and mine looked identical to his. Am I missing something? I took pics of the two side by side. If I posted them, would you guys be able to show me where mine was ported? Maybe I am just an idiot?
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Re: Ported Throttle Body, can you SEE the difference? "Ported" is kind of a relative term. At the very least, I would expect to see the ridge smoothed out, at the most the upper air inlets for the PCV and IAC filled in and re-drilled.
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Re: Ported Throttle Body, can you SEE the difference? Most ported TB's have the 'lip' just before the throttle plate removed and the throat area blended and polished as gwj said. This lip is about 5 mm smaller in diameter than the 75 mm throttle plate (and the manifold opening. Removing the lip is probably the reason for the increased flow.
Many ported TB's have the large cast in inlets for the IAC and PCV(?) filled in with the exception of approximately 3/8 dia.(10mm) holes. The entire inside of the TB leading up to the throttle blade will be smooth and/or polished, where the stock is just as-cast aluminum except in the area near and below the blade and shaft where it is obviously machined at the factory.
These pics show TB ported as described above:
http://www.lswon.com/bret%20bauer/fbodyTB/index.htm
Many ported TB's have the large cast in inlets for the IAC and PCV(?) filled in with the exception of approximately 3/8 dia.(10mm) holes. The entire inside of the TB leading up to the throttle blade will be smooth and/or polished, where the stock is just as-cast aluminum except in the area near and below the blade and shaft where it is obviously machined at the factory.
These pics show TB ported as described above:
http://www.lswon.com/bret%20bauer/fbodyTB/index.htm
Re: Ported Throttle Body, can you SEE the difference? Hmm, so is it possible to have a very slight porting job that is virtually invisible to the naked eye maybe? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />
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Re: Ported Throttle Body, can you SEE the difference? I need a ported throttle body. It would be a nice finishing touch to my car, and cheap also. Did you dyno before/after with yours? How much was it?
I will get the pics to you as soon as I get them....
I will get the pics to you as soon as I get them....
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Re: Ported Throttle Body, can you SEE the difference? Well ported TB's are very obvious. You can see the difference on my webshots page. I have lots of pictures of different TB's, stock vs. ported.
http://community.webshots.com/user/jantzer98ss
http://community.webshots.com/user/jantzer98ss
Re: Ported Throttle Body, can you SEE the difference? So judging by the above pix Kenny can ya tell if yours is actually ported or not? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />
Re: Ported Throttle Body, can you SEE the difference? Kenny take this FWIW
U didnt get a PORTED TB/MAF <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />
I'd be leary of doing a ported MAF
because it can mess with your Ed W. tuning.
I would buy a Shaner or Jantzer ASAP.
Its worth 5RWHP easy on a setup like yours.
JS
<small>[ August 07, 2002, 10:50 PM: Message edited by: JS ]</small>
U didnt get a PORTED TB/MAF <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />
I'd be leary of doing a ported MAF
because it can mess with your Ed W. tuning.
I would buy a Shaner or Jantzer ASAP.
Its worth 5RWHP easy on a setup like yours.
JS
<small>[ August 07, 2002, 10:50 PM: Message edited by: JS ]</small>
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Re: Ported Throttle Body, can you SEE the difference? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by JS:
<strong>Kenny take this FWIW
U didnt get a PORTED TB/MAF <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />
I'd be leary of doing a ported MAF
because it can mess with your Ed W. tuning.
I would buy a Shaner or Jantzer ASAP.
Its worth 5RWHP easy on a setup like yours.
JS</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I have already figured I did not get a ported throttle body. My MAF has the screen out and its 'velocity ported,' thus the air should come in a bit harder. I will definately get a ported throttle body....
<strong>Kenny take this FWIW
U didnt get a PORTED TB/MAF <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />
I'd be leary of doing a ported MAF
because it can mess with your Ed W. tuning.
I would buy a Shaner or Jantzer ASAP.
Its worth 5RWHP easy on a setup like yours.
JS</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I have already figured I did not get a ported throttle body. My MAF has the screen out and its 'velocity ported,' thus the air should come in a bit harder. I will definately get a ported throttle body....
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Re: Ported Throttle Body, can you SEE the difference? One or the other ? those two are worlds apart based on the current feedback Ive seen.There so much more to just a hogged out TB.
Pretty clear if you look at the pics between the two, one has been Hogged Out and the other has been Ported
http://community.webshots.com/album/39963271faXnfe
http://home.att.net/~m.shaner/wsb/ht...ome.html-.html
So respectfully....one will give you gains( ?? ) and the other will give you Performance Gains.
What would you rather have Pretty or Ported ?
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by JS:
I would buy a Shaner or Jantzer ASAP.
Its worth 5RWHP easy on a setup like yours.
JS[/QB]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">
<small>[ August 09, 2002, 07:30 PM: Message edited by: SSLoneStar ]</small>
Pretty clear if you look at the pics between the two, one has been Hogged Out and the other has been Ported
http://community.webshots.com/album/39963271faXnfe
http://home.att.net/~m.shaner/wsb/ht...ome.html-.html
So respectfully....one will give you gains( ?? ) and the other will give you Performance Gains.
What would you rather have Pretty or Ported ?
SS/LS
S2.5 and Trucking Up !
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by JS:
I would buy a Shaner or Jantzer ASAP.
Its worth 5RWHP easy on a setup like yours.
JS[/QB]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">
<small>[ August 09, 2002, 07:30 PM: Message edited by: SSLoneStar ]</small>
Re: Ported Throttle Body, can you SEE the difference? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by SSLoneStar:
<strong>Pretty clear if you look at the pics between the two, one has been Hogged Out and the other has been Ported...
So respectfully....one will give you gains( ?? ) and the other will give you Performance Gains.
What would you rather have Pretty or Ported</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">How can one TB be hogged out and the other not if they both still use the stock 75mm throttle blade??? I do a little extra work around the entrance of the TB to reduce turbulence which does make the TB look like it's been ported a little more.
My TB's are a performance modification first, cosmetic mod second. Why would you imply that my TB's don't perform? I didn't just luck into the 10's believe me.
<strong>Pretty clear if you look at the pics between the two, one has been Hogged Out and the other has been Ported...
So respectfully....one will give you gains( ?? ) and the other will give you Performance Gains.
What would you rather have Pretty or Ported</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">How can one TB be hogged out and the other not if they both still use the stock 75mm throttle blade??? I do a little extra work around the entrance of the TB to reduce turbulence which does make the TB look like it's been ported a little more.
My TB's are a performance modification first, cosmetic mod second. Why would you imply that my TB's don't perform? I didn't just luck into the 10's believe me.
Re: Ported Throttle Body, can you SEE the difference? SSLoanStar:
You are the one who drew conclusions about my TB in your first post. Maybe you should provide some logical evidence to support your accusations.
I'm sure the Shaner TB is a nice piece. It's a very good mod for the money. There are lots of products that are tried/true to gain power etc., but does that mean they can't be improved upon or that another similar product can't come along and be as good or better. I don't think so. Even if I had never sold a TB, how can you draw conclusions about a product you haven't ever seen/tested?
You are the one who drew conclusions about my TB in your first post. Maybe you should provide some logical evidence to support your accusations.
I'm sure the Shaner TB is a nice piece. It's a very good mod for the money. There are lots of products that are tried/true to gain power etc., but does that mean they can't be improved upon or that another similar product can't come along and be as good or better. I don't think so. Even if I had never sold a TB, how can you draw conclusions about a product you haven't ever seen/tested?
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Re: Ported Throttle Body, can you SEE the difference? Kinda ducked a few didnt ya ? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />
I`m far from drawing conclusions on any thing at this time but your ducking of the questions isnt going to get any favorable boxs checked on your behalf
Just looking at the pic of either clearly shows the difference in craftmanship alone and the feedback on the tested Shaner TB`s is above reproach therefore leaning toward the *Pictures Dont Lie* assumption.
Evidence ? Track times dont lie and theres plenty of references documented aka; Proven ! therefore what good is logical?
If your selling a product with claims of performance gains shouldnt you support it with something beside *your own* feedback/data ?
Consider my legit/direct questions as one bieng from a consumer looking for the facts on an item bieng offered to the public as having the *AS SEEN ON TV* flavor to it.
If there are no answers to any/all my questions just say so and we`ll move on to something else.
If your ****`s good then Support it,theres tons of junk out there and people need to know whats good and whats junk dont you agree ? You advertise Performance ....Where`s the Beef?!!!
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Jantzer98SS:
<strong>SSLoanStar:
You are the one who drew conclusions about my TB in your first post. Maybe you should provide some logical evidence to support your accusations.
I'm sure the Shaner TB is a nice piece. It's a very good mod for the money. There are lots of products that are tried/true to gain power etc., but does that mean they can't be improved upon or that another similar product can't come along and be as good or better. I don't think so. Even if I had never sold a TB, how can you draw conclusions about a product you haven't ever seen/tested?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">
I`m far from drawing conclusions on any thing at this time but your ducking of the questions isnt going to get any favorable boxs checked on your behalf
Just looking at the pic of either clearly shows the difference in craftmanship alone and the feedback on the tested Shaner TB`s is above reproach therefore leaning toward the *Pictures Dont Lie* assumption.
Evidence ? Track times dont lie and theres plenty of references documented aka; Proven ! therefore what good is logical?
If your selling a product with claims of performance gains shouldnt you support it with something beside *your own* feedback/data ?
Consider my legit/direct questions as one bieng from a consumer looking for the facts on an item bieng offered to the public as having the *AS SEEN ON TV* flavor to it.
If there are no answers to any/all my questions just say so and we`ll move on to something else.
If your ****`s good then Support it,theres tons of junk out there and people need to know whats good and whats junk dont you agree ? You advertise Performance ....Where`s the Beef?!!!
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Jantzer98SS:
<strong>SSLoanStar:
You are the one who drew conclusions about my TB in your first post. Maybe you should provide some logical evidence to support your accusations.
I'm sure the Shaner TB is a nice piece. It's a very good mod for the money. There are lots of products that are tried/true to gain power etc., but does that mean they can't be improved upon or that another similar product can't come along and be as good or better. I don't think so. Even if I had never sold a TB, how can you draw conclusions about a product you haven't ever seen/tested?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">
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Re: Ported Throttle Body, can you SEE the difference? Wheres your customer feedback listed ?
Stuff like Track times,Dyno`s etc ?Dyno`s being the last concern as those pull sheets aint worth diddly at the track.
What is the average documented gain(s) across 200+ units sold?
Out of the box bolt-on negitive issue reports(SES etc)?
Any units ever returned ?
The S2 Performance TB`s have been hammered from one end to the other with opinions and questionable(negitive)feedback assumptions etc,etc yet there real world proven (performing nationwide)as advertised with three known models that all perform to the application their designed for,not just a one size fits all thing.
Anyway ........ can you shed some light on a few of the questions above that seem un`answered/proven ?
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Jantzer98SS:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by SSLoneStar:
<strong>Pretty clear if you look at the pics between the two, one has been Hogged Out and the other has been Ported...
So respectfully....one will give you gains( ?? ) and the other will give you Performance Gains.
What would you rather have Pretty or Ported</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">How can one TB be hogged out and the other not if they both still use the stock 75mm throttle blade??? I do a little extra work around the entrance of the TB to reduce turbulence which does make the TB look like it's been ported a little more.
My TB's are a performance modification first, cosmetic mod second. Why would you imply that my TB's don't perform? I didn't just luck into the 10's believe me.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">
Stuff like Track times,Dyno`s etc ?Dyno`s being the last concern as those pull sheets aint worth diddly at the track.
What is the average documented gain(s) across 200+ units sold?
Out of the box bolt-on negitive issue reports(SES etc)?
Any units ever returned ?
The S2 Performance TB`s have been hammered from one end to the other with opinions and questionable(negitive)feedback assumptions etc,etc yet there real world proven (performing nationwide)as advertised with three known models that all perform to the application their designed for,not just a one size fits all thing.
Anyway ........ can you shed some light on a few of the questions above that seem un`answered/proven ?
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Jantzer98SS:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by SSLoneStar:
<strong>Pretty clear if you look at the pics between the two, one has been Hogged Out and the other has been Ported...
So respectfully....one will give you gains( ?? ) and the other will give you Performance Gains.
What would you rather have Pretty or Ported</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">How can one TB be hogged out and the other not if they both still use the stock 75mm throttle blade??? I do a little extra work around the entrance of the TB to reduce turbulence which does make the TB look like it's been ported a little more.
My TB's are a performance modification first, cosmetic mod second. Why would you imply that my TB's don't perform? I didn't just luck into the 10's believe me.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">
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Re: Ported Throttle Body, can you SEE the difference? bttt,
Buyer beware is the word I`ve recieved from a few* actual customers <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" />
I rest my case and am done with this discussion as a certain pissing match is all I`m told I will get if he replies.
Time for a Lock IMO.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by SSLoneStar:
<strong>Kinda ducked a few didnt ya ? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />
I`m far from drawing conclusions on any thing at this time but your ducking of the questions isnt going to get any favorable boxs checked on your behalf
Just looking at the pic of either clearly shows the difference in craftmanship alone and the feedback on the tested Shaner TB`s is above reproach therefore leaning toward the *Pictures Dont Lie* assumption.
Evidence ? Track times dont lie and theres plenty of references documented aka; Proven ! therefore what good is logical?
If your selling a product with claims of performance gains shouldnt you support it with something beside *your own* feedback/data ?
Consider my legit/direct questions as one bieng from a consumer looking for the facts on an item bieng offered to the public as having the *AS SEEN ON TV* flavor to it.
If there are no answers to any/all my questions just say so and we`ll move on to something else.
If your ****`s good then Support it,theres tons of junk out there and people need to know whats good and whats junk dont you agree ? You advertise Performance ....Where`s the Beef?!!!
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Jantzer98SS:
<strong>SSLoanStar:
You are the one who drew conclusions about my TB in your first post. Maybe you should provide some logical evidence to support your accusations.
I'm sure the Shaner TB is a nice piece. It's a very good mod for the money. There are lots of products that are tried/true to gain power etc., but does that mean they can't be improved upon or that another similar product can't come along and be as good or better. I don't think so. Even if I had never sold a TB, how can you draw conclusions about a product you haven't ever seen/tested?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"></strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">
Buyer beware is the word I`ve recieved from a few* actual customers <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" />
I rest my case and am done with this discussion as a certain pissing match is all I`m told I will get if he replies.
Time for a Lock IMO.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by SSLoneStar:
<strong>Kinda ducked a few didnt ya ? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />
I`m far from drawing conclusions on any thing at this time but your ducking of the questions isnt going to get any favorable boxs checked on your behalf
Just looking at the pic of either clearly shows the difference in craftmanship alone and the feedback on the tested Shaner TB`s is above reproach therefore leaning toward the *Pictures Dont Lie* assumption.
Evidence ? Track times dont lie and theres plenty of references documented aka; Proven ! therefore what good is logical?
If your selling a product with claims of performance gains shouldnt you support it with something beside *your own* feedback/data ?
Consider my legit/direct questions as one bieng from a consumer looking for the facts on an item bieng offered to the public as having the *AS SEEN ON TV* flavor to it.
If there are no answers to any/all my questions just say so and we`ll move on to something else.
If your ****`s good then Support it,theres tons of junk out there and people need to know whats good and whats junk dont you agree ? You advertise Performance ....Where`s the Beef?!!!
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Jantzer98SS:
<strong>SSLoanStar:
You are the one who drew conclusions about my TB in your first post. Maybe you should provide some logical evidence to support your accusations.
I'm sure the Shaner TB is a nice piece. It's a very good mod for the money. There are lots of products that are tried/true to gain power etc., but does that mean they can't be improved upon or that another similar product can't come along and be as good or better. I don't think so. Even if I had never sold a TB, how can you draw conclusions about a product you haven't ever seen/tested?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"></strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">
Re: Ported Throttle Body, can you SEE the difference? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>I rest my case and am done with this discussion as a certain pissing match is all I`m told I will get if he replies.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I'm not interested in getting into a pissing match. But I would like a mature discussion. To be honest, there were a couple TB's at first that I had to fix. I don't have a problem admitting I've made mistakes. I'm all about providing value and making sure the product is as the customer perceived it would be, no matter how many times it takes to get it right with the customer.
SSLoneStar:
It's clear to me by your comments that you don't know much about ported TB's, you're just trying to give me a hard time and make another product look good.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>Pretty clear if you look at the pics between the two, one has been Hogged Out and the other has been Ported......
Just looking at the pic of either clearly shows the difference in craftmanship alone </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Explain in detail to everyone out there what's clear from the pics? Here is a link to one of my TB's:
http://community.webshots.com/photo/...40041067YCbsEW
Like I said before, how can one 75mm TB be hogged out and the other not? There is nothing to hog out. What exactly do you mean when you say that porting/hogging out is different?
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>What would you rather have Pretty or Ported ?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You have one thing right here, they are pretty. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> But explain to me how my TB can be "hogged" out like you said before, but you imply that it's not even ported??? And if that's not drawing conclusions about what my products represent, then I don't know what is.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>If your selling a product with claims of performance gains shouldnt you support it with something beside *your own* feedback/data ?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Should I do a before/after dyno? It's not exactly a dyno friendly mod. Should I tell you I dropped .15 off my time and gained 2MPH 2 years ago when I put it on?? Or that a few customers let me know they dropped their times by .15? The way I look at it, it's just a matter of time before independent tests start popping up.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>The S2 Performance TB`s have been hammered from one end to the other with opinions and questionable(negitive)feedback assumptions etc,etc yet there real world proven (performing nationwide)as advertised with three known models that all perform to the application their designed for,not just a one size fits all thing.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Do you want to explain to me what the difference between the different stages of TB's are and what applications they would be for? The fact of the matter is that if you pay more, you get more. Now my approach is a little different. I do the BEST work I can do on EVERY TB at a price that I can live with yet offers good value to customers. It is a one size fits all deal. Why would you want a stage I or II that will flow less air and make less power on ANY application?
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>You advertise Performance ....Where`s the Beef?!!!</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">10.82 @ 125MPH on the stock shortblock with MY Stage I heads, mild cam, and other performance mods/tricks.
If you want to look at/test one of my TB's first hand, I'll sell you one for $99. You can decide for yourself if it's a quality product and if it really performs. Are you up for it?
SSLoneStar:
It's clear to me by your comments that you don't know much about ported TB's, you're just trying to give me a hard time and make another product look good.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>Pretty clear if you look at the pics between the two, one has been Hogged Out and the other has been Ported......
Just looking at the pic of either clearly shows the difference in craftmanship alone </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Explain in detail to everyone out there what's clear from the pics? Here is a link to one of my TB's:
http://community.webshots.com/photo/...40041067YCbsEW
Like I said before, how can one 75mm TB be hogged out and the other not? There is nothing to hog out. What exactly do you mean when you say that porting/hogging out is different?
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>What would you rather have Pretty or Ported ?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You have one thing right here, they are pretty. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> But explain to me how my TB can be "hogged" out like you said before, but you imply that it's not even ported??? And if that's not drawing conclusions about what my products represent, then I don't know what is.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>If your selling a product with claims of performance gains shouldnt you support it with something beside *your own* feedback/data ?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Should I do a before/after dyno? It's not exactly a dyno friendly mod. Should I tell you I dropped .15 off my time and gained 2MPH 2 years ago when I put it on?? Or that a few customers let me know they dropped their times by .15? The way I look at it, it's just a matter of time before independent tests start popping up.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>The S2 Performance TB`s have been hammered from one end to the other with opinions and questionable(negitive)feedback assumptions etc,etc yet there real world proven (performing nationwide)as advertised with three known models that all perform to the application their designed for,not just a one size fits all thing.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Do you want to explain to me what the difference between the different stages of TB's are and what applications they would be for? The fact of the matter is that if you pay more, you get more. Now my approach is a little different. I do the BEST work I can do on EVERY TB at a price that I can live with yet offers good value to customers. It is a one size fits all deal. Why would you want a stage I or II that will flow less air and make less power on ANY application?
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>You advertise Performance ....Where`s the Beef?!!!</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">10.82 @ 125MPH on the stock shortblock with MY Stage I heads, mild cam, and other performance mods/tricks.
If you want to look at/test one of my TB's first hand, I'll sell you one for $99. You can decide for yourself if it's a quality product and if it really performs. Are you up for it?
