Check out my new ram air setup
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Check out my new ram air setup This is a setup I came into with much aid from alan futral and gordon sevin. Gordon saw something similar on Judsons car when they were in Bowling Green and it acted as a guide.
We ran dual 4 inch aluminized hose up from the nose of the car by starting with the factory bumper support. Alan cut it to size and then rivited it in place. We then modified the core support and condensor to allow the 4 inch pieces to travel up to the airbox unmolested.
At this point we then sealed the airbox and blocked all air except that coming from the air tubes. I was running the factory air inlet in conjunction with FRA so I had alot of chopping up to block off. Aluminum tape made this easy as you will see in the pictures. So, I went on to add more foam to the bottom of my wisper lid in an effort to make it air tight against the filter. I also added a rubber three inch ring around the end of the lid to try and keep everything sealed.
Here is the result.
http://community.webshots.com/photo/...45758519DKtqHw
http://community.webshots.com/photo/...45758781IWomZc
http://community.webshots.com/photo/...45758653VTZbdG
http://community.webshots.com/photo/...45758346zQTxcb
I hope to try this setup out in the heat tommorrow.
We ran dual 4 inch aluminized hose up from the nose of the car by starting with the factory bumper support. Alan cut it to size and then rivited it in place. We then modified the core support and condensor to allow the 4 inch pieces to travel up to the airbox unmolested.
At this point we then sealed the airbox and blocked all air except that coming from the air tubes. I was running the factory air inlet in conjunction with FRA so I had alot of chopping up to block off. Aluminum tape made this easy as you will see in the pictures. So, I went on to add more foam to the bottom of my wisper lid in an effort to make it air tight against the filter. I also added a rubber three inch ring around the end of the lid to try and keep everything sealed.
Here is the result.
http://community.webshots.com/photo/...45758519DKtqHw
http://community.webshots.com/photo/...45758781IWomZc
http://community.webshots.com/photo/...45758653VTZbdG
http://community.webshots.com/photo/...45758346zQTxcb
I hope to try this setup out in the heat tommorrow.
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Re: Check out my new ram air setup <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> NICE! I was thinking about doing the same thing but wasn't sure about how much to trim the core support. Did you have to trim it much? Let me know how your track times. Good Luck.
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Re: Check out my new ram air setup WOW!! That looks great! I tried the same thing, but gave up cus of all the cutting I had to do to the parts... I jsut went and got me a ultraz hood and ill be using that for ram air
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Re: Check out my new ram air setup </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Mike Hoffpauir:
<strong>I hope to try this setup out in the heat tommorrow.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Where are you going to run it Mike?
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<strong>I hope to try this setup out in the heat tommorrow.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Where are you going to run it Mike?
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08-04-2002, 07:04 AM
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Re: Check out my new ram air setup Thats a great looking setup the only thing I would change is that K&N filter for a Holley power shot your first pic shows how uneven the filter area is on the K&N the power shot is even and gives you more filter area for breathing.
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Re: Check out my new ram air setup </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by GTS SS:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Mike Hoffpauir:
<strong>I hope to try this setup out in the heat tommorrow.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Where are you going to run it Mike?
Gordon</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hattiesburg!
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Mike Hoffpauir:
<strong>I hope to try this setup out in the heat tommorrow.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Where are you going to run it Mike?
Gordon</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hattiesburg!
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Re: Check out my new ram air setup </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by smokin' joe 00 ss:
<strong>Thats a great looking setup the only thing I would change is that K&N filter for a Holley power shot your first pic shows how uneven the filter area is on the K&N the power shot is even and gives you more filter area for breathing.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I hear ya Joe, but the picture makes for an illusion. The distance between all that uneven filter area is a good 2 inches away from the ram air tubes. But, maybe your right. It couldnt hurt to try except for the steps I would have to take to seal the holley to the air lid.
<strong>Thats a great looking setup the only thing I would change is that K&N filter for a Holley power shot your first pic shows how uneven the filter area is on the K&N the power shot is even and gives you more filter area for breathing.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I hear ya Joe, but the picture makes for an illusion. The distance between all that uneven filter area is a good 2 inches away from the ram air tubes. But, maybe your right. It couldnt hurt to try except for the steps I would have to take to seal the holley to the air lid.
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Re: Check out my new ram air setup Glen we did have to trim the core support about 2 inches.
daddySS, when it rains all I do is open up the factory air inlet, and this is as simple as flattening out some aluminum tape. This depressurizes the system and it shouldnt suck up water. Of course I dont drive through standign water--ever, so Im not worried about that.
Look behind the grill to see the air inlets:
http://community.webshots.com/photo/...45813267NkOesa
And here is a full pic of my engine bay:
http://community.webshots.com/photo/...45774594yQWbEa
daddySS, when it rains all I do is open up the factory air inlet, and this is as simple as flattening out some aluminum tape. This depressurizes the system and it shouldnt suck up water. Of course I dont drive through standign water--ever, so Im not worried about that.
Look behind the grill to see the air inlets:
http://community.webshots.com/photo/...45813267NkOesa
And here is a full pic of my engine bay:
http://community.webshots.com/photo/...45774594yQWbEa
08-04-2002, 11:58 PM
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Re: Check out my new ram air setup I have seen this set up guys. It looks good. Mike can give you guys more info on how the perfomance difference worked out tomorrow.
I want to see some more people from the boards come to Hattiesburg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I want to see some more people from the boards come to Hattiesburg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Check out my new ram air setup </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by 2000LS1:
<strong>Very nice!!! Got any pics of the cut bumper support?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">TTT... any <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />
<strong>Very nice!!! Got any pics of the cut bumper support?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">TTT... any <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />
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Re: Check out my new ram air setup Sorry bro no pics. We put the car back together before I ever thought of photographing it. And I'm not trying to pull the bumper cover off any time soon <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_tounge.gif" />
I can tell you this though. Alan simply sketched what he wanted to cut (roughly 4" hole) and cut it with a sawzall and then cleaned it up with a air-grinder. There are already 2 holes in the bumper support that we used as an initial guide, so its not like you have to guess too very much on where to put the holes. Really the whole set-up is not too hard once you see it done. Just having the proper tools and the right guy cutting up your car is all it takes <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
Here is my post of the track results, although I dont feel they are too conclusive because of a gang-bang of variables.
https://ls1tech.com/ubb/ultimatebb.p...c;f=5;t=002102
I can tell you this though. Alan simply sketched what he wanted to cut (roughly 4" hole) and cut it with a sawzall and then cleaned it up with a air-grinder. There are already 2 holes in the bumper support that we used as an initial guide, so its not like you have to guess too very much on where to put the holes. Really the whole set-up is not too hard once you see it done. Just having the proper tools and the right guy cutting up your car is all it takes <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
Here is my post of the track results, although I dont feel they are too conclusive because of a gang-bang of variables.
https://ls1tech.com/ubb/ultimatebb.p...c;f=5;t=002102
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Re: Check out my new ram air setup </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Mike Hoffpauir:
<strong>Sorry bro no pics. We put the car back together before I ever thought of photographing it. And I'm not trying to pull the bumper cover off any time soon <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_tounge.gif" />
I can tell you this though. Alan simply sketched what he wanted to cut (roughly 4" hole) and cut it with a sawzall and then cleaned it up with a air-grinder. There are already 2 holes in the bumper support that we used as an initial guide, so its not like you have to guess too very much on where to put the holes. Really the whole set-up is not too hard once you see it done. Just having the proper tools and the right guy cutting up your car is all it takes <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
Here is my post of the track results, although I dont feel they are too conclusive because of a gang-bang of variables.
https://ls1tech.com/ubb/ultimatebb.p...c;f=5;t=002102</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yea I've had my tubes in for a while now. But I have some major differences in my setup. First of all I have the SLP cold air kit. I went and bought some pool vacuum hose (2.5-3" maybe?) and routed them from those stock holes in the bumper support up to the stock opening of the airbox. This did unpressurize my airbox that was once sealed. I really should have tested the results at the track with the hoses in and then with it sealed up with the SLPRA before I threw the rubber strip away. Oh well. Anyway, I would like to try your setup. It looks like you can get more air in than the FTRA or SLPRA and without blcoking the radiator. Thanks for the idea. BTW... is there any way I might be able to get the 4" hoses in front of the SLPRA unit on the underside of the airbox then seal all of that up? That should get me a hell of a lot more air with the sealed system. Is it worth a try?
<strong>Sorry bro no pics. We put the car back together before I ever thought of photographing it. And I'm not trying to pull the bumper cover off any time soon <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_tounge.gif" />
I can tell you this though. Alan simply sketched what he wanted to cut (roughly 4" hole) and cut it with a sawzall and then cleaned it up with a air-grinder. There are already 2 holes in the bumper support that we used as an initial guide, so its not like you have to guess too very much on where to put the holes. Really the whole set-up is not too hard once you see it done. Just having the proper tools and the right guy cutting up your car is all it takes <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
Here is my post of the track results, although I dont feel they are too conclusive because of a gang-bang of variables.
https://ls1tech.com/ubb/ultimatebb.p...c;f=5;t=002102</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yea I've had my tubes in for a while now. But I have some major differences in my setup. First of all I have the SLP cold air kit. I went and bought some pool vacuum hose (2.5-3" maybe?) and routed them from those stock holes in the bumper support up to the stock opening of the airbox. This did unpressurize my airbox that was once sealed. I really should have tested the results at the track with the hoses in and then with it sealed up with the SLPRA before I threw the rubber strip away. Oh well. Anyway, I would like to try your setup. It looks like you can get more air in than the FTRA or SLPRA and without blcoking the radiator. Thanks for the idea. BTW... is there any way I might be able to get the 4" hoses in front of the SLPRA unit on the underside of the airbox then seal all of that up? That should get me a hell of a lot more air with the sealed system. Is it worth a try?
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Re: Check out my new ram air setup <img src="http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0MgAAADgRsKoe9*TpgfgA8PomyeOT0PQlLAxnB18AXBLC2XwJz NOFJemJpQwmxxQYBb65Qwxi2kYG*1wYOGLVJQ/image08.jpg" alt=" - " />
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Re: Check out my new ram air setup </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by 2000LS1:
BTW... is there any way I might be able to get the 4" hoses in front of the SLPRA unit on the underside of the airbox then seal all of that up? That should get me a hell of a lot more air with the sealed system. Is it worth a try?[/QB]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">No, you cant run both a FTRA or SLP-RA along with this setup. Look at the pics of where I have the 2 hoses coming through. This is right where the SLP-RA would be. I dont think this will work with the stock air box because of size limitations. You're simply running out of width!
BUT! Have you seen the stealth air box and radiator support? That **** is big!! It might just be big enough to let you do both. Perhaps what you could do is route the Hoses on the outside of a custom ram air set-up that mimics the FTRA. Maybe you could use 3" hoses because of size limitations, and then make a custom FTRA-like setup to squeeze in the middle.
Sounds like a good idea, but alot of fab work too.
BTW... is there any way I might be able to get the 4" hoses in front of the SLPRA unit on the underside of the airbox then seal all of that up? That should get me a hell of a lot more air with the sealed system. Is it worth a try?[/QB]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">No, you cant run both a FTRA or SLP-RA along with this setup. Look at the pics of where I have the 2 hoses coming through. This is right where the SLP-RA would be. I dont think this will work with the stock air box because of size limitations. You're simply running out of width!
BUT! Have you seen the stealth air box and radiator support? That **** is big!! It might just be big enough to let you do both. Perhaps what you could do is route the Hoses on the outside of a custom ram air set-up that mimics the FTRA. Maybe you could use 3" hoses because of size limitations, and then make a custom FTRA-like setup to squeeze in the middle.
Sounds like a good idea, but alot of fab work too.
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Re: Check out my new ram air setup </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by 2000 Camaro SS:
<strong> <img src="http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0MgAAADgRsKoe9*TpgfgA8PomyeOT0PQlLAxnB18AXBLC2XwJz NOFJemJpQwmxxQYBb65Qwxi2kYG*1wYOGLVJQ/image08.jpg" alt=" - " /></strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Sweet thanks for the pic!!!
<strong> <img src="http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0MgAAADgRsKoe9*TpgfgA8PomyeOT0PQlLAxnB18AXBLC2XwJz NOFJemJpQwmxxQYBb65Qwxi2kYG*1wYOGLVJQ/image08.jpg" alt=" - " /></strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Sweet thanks for the pic!!!
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Re: Check out my new ram air setup </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Mike Hoffpauir:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by 2000LS1:
BTW... is there any way I might be able to get the 4" hoses in front of the SLPRA unit on the underside of the airbox then seal all of that up? That should get me a hell of a lot more air with the sealed system. Is it worth a try?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">No, you cant run both a FTRA or SLP-RA along with this setup. Look at the pics of where I have the 2 hoses coming through. This is right where the SLP-RA would be. I dont think this will work with the stock air box because of size limitations. You're simply running out of width!
BUT! Have you seen the stealth air box and radiator support? That **** is big!! It might just be big enough to let you do both. Perhaps what you could do is route the Hoses on the outside of a custom ram air set-up that mimics the FTRA. Maybe you could use 3" hoses because of size limitations, and then make a custom FTRA-like setup to squeeze in the middle.
Sounds like a good idea, but alot of fab work too.[/QB]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yea I see how where the tubes enter the airbox obstructs the SLPRA setup but it looks like they can be moved towards the front a bit more. Of course I would need a bird's eye pic to be sure. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> But I do believe you're right about the Stealth lid but I just can't bring myself to spend $300 on a larger lid for a stock motor, especialy when I already have a Whisper lid. Maybe when I go bigger cubes I will do the sealed Stealth lid/SLPRA/4"tubes setup. I think it would kick ***. Or maybe I'm just beatin the dead dog having all these different ram air setups together... LOL.
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by 2000LS1:
BTW... is there any way I might be able to get the 4" hoses in front of the SLPRA unit on the underside of the airbox then seal all of that up? That should get me a hell of a lot more air with the sealed system. Is it worth a try?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">No, you cant run both a FTRA or SLP-RA along with this setup. Look at the pics of where I have the 2 hoses coming through. This is right where the SLP-RA would be. I dont think this will work with the stock air box because of size limitations. You're simply running out of width!
BUT! Have you seen the stealth air box and radiator support? That **** is big!! It might just be big enough to let you do both. Perhaps what you could do is route the Hoses on the outside of a custom ram air set-up that mimics the FTRA. Maybe you could use 3" hoses because of size limitations, and then make a custom FTRA-like setup to squeeze in the middle.
Sounds like a good idea, but alot of fab work too.[/QB]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yea I see how where the tubes enter the airbox obstructs the SLPRA setup but it looks like they can be moved towards the front a bit more. Of course I would need a bird's eye pic to be sure. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> But I do believe you're right about the Stealth lid but I just can't bring myself to spend $300 on a larger lid for a stock motor, especialy when I already have a Whisper lid. Maybe when I go bigger cubes I will do the sealed Stealth lid/SLPRA/4"tubes setup. I think it would kick ***. Or maybe I'm just beatin the dead dog having all these different ram air setups together... LOL.