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Old Oct 22, 2006 | 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by BlackHawk T/A
A lot of things are "bolted on" to our cars, and I would be really cautious about them if they weren't
I love stories from people talking about mystical bolt on cars that run tens... "yea man he ran 10.70s, stock just a 300 shot"
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The problem stems from how loosely this term "bolt-on" is used. It really has no definete meaning anymore because there is no general consensus.

A lot of things are "bolted on" to our cars, and I would be really cautious about using them if they weren't
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Old Oct 22, 2006 | 09:17 PM
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How did I quote a post from the future?
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Old Oct 22, 2006 | 09:27 PM
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There have been wierd problems lately with posts not posting in the correct order...
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Old Oct 22, 2006 | 09:28 PM
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i noticed
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Old Oct 22, 2006 | 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by @nthony
how do you bolt on a tune to the car? lol

well ill add seafoam to the bolt on list then if a tune can be a bolt on.
because you can take the pcm out and exhachange it for a tuned one
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Old Oct 22, 2006 | 09:35 PM
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how do you bolt on a tune to the car? lol

well ill add seafoam to the bolt on list then if a tune can be a bolt on.
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Old Oct 22, 2006 | 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Pythias
I am still new to LS1's and was wondering if someone could attribute to a full-list of bolt-ons. Hopefully possibly get this thread stickied as I'm sure it would help other Newcommers.

As far I know.

Lid
Gears
Headers
Y or X pipe
Mufflers
Intake
Intake Manifold
Throttle Body
Smooth bellows

I know there must be more right?
Here's my list of what I consider bolt-ons...

Induction
intake manifold, throttle body, ram air plate, air filter, air lid/cai

Exhaust
headers
cutout(s)
Y/X/H pipe
muffler(s)

Pullies
underdrive pulley
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Old Oct 22, 2006 | 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by @nthony
how do you bolt on a tune to the car? lol

well ill add seafoam to the bolt on list then if a tune can be a bolt on.
Referring to mail order tunes, which aren't that uncommon for bolt on cars. Takes all of 4 minutes... seafoam would be maintenance
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and a nice drink on the rocks.

Originally Posted by lastcall190
seafoam would be maintenance
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Old Oct 22, 2006 | 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by lastcall190
Referring to mail order tunes, which aren't that uncommon for bolt on cars. Takes all of 4 minutes... seafoam would be maintenance
in that case, spark plugs and wires aren't a bolt-on. they're just maintenence
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Originally Posted by @nthony
how do you bolt on a tune to the car? lol

well ill add seafoam to the bolt on list then if a tune can be a bolt on.
Seafoam is a "pour-on"
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Old Oct 22, 2006 | 11:55 PM
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oh snap ^^ ... and yea I don't consider plugs and wires a bolt on... for me they were maintenance, cuz they were "in need of maintaining" when I was "bolting on" my headers

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Old Oct 23, 2006 | 01:11 AM
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From my personal experience of talking with other people usually at the track or at car gtg's, I have noticed that generally when people tell me they have full bolt-ons, that they have intake/ full exhaust/ pullies/ gears/ suspension/ pcm/ ignition. But what might make this term fuzzy to some people is that you could pretty much also bolt-on a supercharger for the most part since it's not something under the intake manifold. I think this term is too opinionated to have an ultimate answer, at least to me.
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Old Oct 23, 2006 | 01:41 AM
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I really wish the term bolt on regained a clearer definition like before the fast and furious movies ... Bolt ons used to be engine related only , intake and exhaust. Bolt on's were described as anything that didnt change the oem operation of a vehicle . Pulleys change accesory speed and therefore weren't considered bolt ons , gears, stalls and the like changed fuel mileage. A driveshaft would be a bolt on, suspension was not considered bolt on's b/c it changed the comfort. I dont know it was a list of rules that my high school track buddies/car club guys came up with to make the term more standard.

So we consider bolt ons to be
Intake filter
CAI
intake manifold
throttle body
radiator
stainless brake lines
driveshaft
headers
high flow cats
cut-outs
cat-backs
y pipes
axles

Hope this helps a little
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Old Oct 23, 2006 | 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by ChocoTaco369
you don't touch anything internal, so yes, it could be a bolt-on. of course, in that same mindset, a new engine and a transmission swap could also be bolt-ons. all i know is, no internal work is done and it's not a power adder, so by process of elimination...

unfortunately, nothing else describes it
Actually chief, you have to take off the cover on the new rear end to install the axles. Most rear ends come without axles installed.

SO yes, you do touch internal ****.
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Old Oct 23, 2006 | 10:01 AM
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Thanks again guys, I updated my list at on the First page, I aree plugs and wires and such are more maintenance, but I agree a mail-order tune can be considered a bolt-on.
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Old Oct 23, 2006 | 05:26 PM
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my own definition of bolt-on is anything that does not involve touching oil in the motor. i don't consider turbos and superchargers bolt-ons, but for some reason i do consider nitrous a bolt-on. i'm probably just weird. oh well
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Old Oct 27, 2006 | 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by ChocoTaco369
i hate it when people consider gears and stalls bolt-ons. they're not bolt-ons. they're internals. for example, last time i checked, stalls were inside a transmission. that means you have to pull the tranny and crack it open to change the stall. gears go by the same principle. just because they're not inside the engine DOES NOT mean they are not internals!!!!!!!!
I got some bad news for you. I ran across this while debating with a LT1 guy:

https://ls1tech.com/forums/drag-racing-results/273788-quickest-stock-internals-list-11-82-bump.html

Bottom line is the ls1tech bolt on director considers stalls & gears bolt ons because they are "legal" to be used if one was shooting for the LS1 bolt on record.

BTW the new record is now 10.92 @ 121

And that's with a TCI 4400 stall
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Old Oct 27, 2006 | 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted by darrensls1
I got some bad news for you. I ran across this while debating with a LT1 guy:

https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=273788

Bottom line is the ls1tech bolt on director considers stalls & gears bolt ons because they are "legal" to be used if one was shooting for the LS1 bolt on record.

BTW the new record is now 10.92 @ 121

And that's with a TCI 4400 stall
that's one man's opinion. my opinion - also one man's opinion - would say that gears and a stall are not bolt-ons because they are internal working parts and therefore simply cannot fit the definition because they fall under the webster's definition of "internal".

internal - existing or situated within the limits or surface of something: as a (1) : situated near the inside of the body (2) : situated on the side toward the median plane of the body b : of, relating to, or occurring on the inside of an organized structure.
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?va=internal

IMO, webster's holds more credibility than an LS1tech moderator, but that's just me talking.

also, the LS1tech bolt-on director has absolutely no authority in any race organizations. his authority ends with this website, and as helpful as this website is, it has no impact in real life racing.
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