painted headers better than coated!!
Interesting. The theory I've heard is that coated headers disapate the heat further down the exhaust system. Sounds like a good experiment for some one with EGT measuring.
Chuck: Have you observed this on cars with hot exhausts, e.g. lots of back to back pulls? I wounder if it is a function of the greater mass of carbon steel & coating versus the stainless. Have you compared uncoated reagular steel with stainless?
Chuck: Have you observed this on cars with hot exhausts, e.g. lots of back to back pulls? I wounder if it is a function of the greater mass of carbon steel & coating versus the stainless. Have you compared uncoated reagular steel with stainless?
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Interesting. The theory I've heard is that coated headers disapate the heat further down the exhaust system. Sounds like a good experiment for some one with EGT measuring.
Chuck: Have you observed this on cars with hot exhausts, e.g. lots of back to back pulls? I wounder if it is a function of the greater mass of carbon steel & coating versus the stainless. Have you compared uncoated reagular steel with stainless?
Chuck: Have you observed this on cars with hot exhausts, e.g. lots of back to back pulls? I wounder if it is a function of the greater mass of carbon steel & coating versus the stainless. Have you compared uncoated reagular steel with stainless?
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man, i was buggin out too. chuck is one of the best in the business when it comes to the lsx community. i know for sure the painted route is still alot cheaper than the coated route. i mean, will a coated header perform or make more power than a regular painted header?
Originally Posted by TXZ28LS1
man, i was buggin out too. chuck is one of the best in the business when it comes to the lsx community. i know for sure the painted route is still alot cheaper than the coated route. i mean, will a coated header perform or make more power than a regular painted header?
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sounds like someones trying to up their more expensive stainless steal headers
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Interesting. The theory I've heard is that coated headers disapate the heat further down the exhaust system. Sounds like a good experiment for some one with EGT measuring.
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Originally Posted by bww3588
i think your getting your stories mixed up here. chuck wasent comparing painted headers to coated headers, he was comparing un coated, unpainted stainless steel headers to coated ones. the ONLY reason headers are coated is to keep them from rusting. after a while, even if your car is trailered and only sees a sunny track and you use painted headers, the paint WILL burn off eventully and the mosture in the air against the bare metal will cause it to rust. if you read descriptions on coated headers on the manufactures websites or whatever they will also comment that the coating will retain heat and keep under hood temperatures down. which it will but it will retain it in the header itself. i cant see this added heat causing the valves to heat up to the point of causing detonation though. but like Ragtop 99 and I stated, this will only be solved with someone that has autotap or a similar component. back to back dyno pulls wouldnt be an effective way to measure this because heatsoak in general throughout the motor would cause too big of an array of varriables to be accurate.
thanks for the info man. i might have gotten mixed up.. thanks bro!!
but if you think about it, it is still going to hold heat in the metal of the header itsself. thats where your coating comes into play. the coating keeps the heat in the metal in turn keeps the exhaust gasses inside the tube hotter still. which would put more heat on the vavles.
Could also be that the coated do get hotter and transfer more heat to the head at the point of attachment rather than at the valves?
Time for some back to back experiments and EGT measurements.
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well you can get a knife and hang the cat up by his hind legs and start down.....wait.....i'd better not go into this on here.
now after reading all of these new posts that makes more sense. wouldn't have thought it would make that big of a difference.... but it would if you run the car lean up high instead of towards not as lean with whatever timing. it all depends on how you tune. each person has their own way that is different than everyone elses
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Originally Posted by Ragtop 99
I agree that the object is keep the exhaust gas heat flowing down the tube. The question I have is: Does keeping the exhaust gas hotter help with velocity and scavenging? If it does, it might actually suck more heat away from the valves.
It does not matter to me, if I ever decide to do headers I'll get 304 stainless anyway. The salt in the winter here will KILL anything else!
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so which will perform better? a coated one or painted one? cuz if coated were better nobody would be selling painted headers. i highly doubt a shiny coated header is gonna win races..
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so which will perform better? a coated one or painted one? cuz if coated were better nobody would be selling painted headers. i highly doubt a shiny coated header is gonna win races..
honestly though if I'm really considering that much of a budget header... I'd go the painted route because if I **** them up its just cheaper to replace down the road...
painted headers are for those who really have a tight budget and know the risks of using it...
for a long time there were only painted headers and a few stainless here and there, no one coated headers ... either didn't have the technology or didn't have the money for it in the first place.
I've seen firsthand the life of a painted header through a big block vs. a coated header through a big block ... and honestly, a big block pushing 650hp+ will eat up a pair of painted headers in no time flat in a place like houston, or seattle or anywhere there is a lot of moisture ... coated headers have a much longer life, but once that coating hits its limit, they're gone as well... thats when you get to that point of "meh, replacement time"
Painted are ok for a track only car or car that doesn't see the outside elements. Coated are a cheaper alternative to Stainless. Stainless of coarse would be the best route, but not everyone can afford $700 for just a set of LT's.
I was always taught that the coated LT's help keep the exhaust gases hotter in turn helping flow the gas out better & scavange better. I have NEVER heard of anyone having to change tuning for LT's especially pulling timing. The only reason to mess with the PCM after LT's is to delete the emmissions codes.
I have had my coated Pacesetters on & had the car scanned multiple times since the install. And never found a problem at all. I think something got misunderstood somewhere during the conversation you had. If you gotta pull timing after LT's then something else is going on with the car.
I was always taught that the coated LT's help keep the exhaust gases hotter in turn helping flow the gas out better & scavange better. I have NEVER heard of anyone having to change tuning for LT's especially pulling timing. The only reason to mess with the PCM after LT's is to delete the emmissions codes.
I have had my coated Pacesetters on & had the car scanned multiple times since the install. And never found a problem at all. I think something got misunderstood somewhere during the conversation you had. If you gotta pull timing after LT's then something else is going on with the car.
