EB's are suppose to be great for H/C car's as the stepped headers allow for increase in exhaust velocity. I'll have to see if i still have pic's of the Y-pipe. The headers/Y-pipe come with EVERYTHING you will need to swap. Clamps,new bolts,exhaust mani gaskets, o2 bungs, o2extensions,block off plates for those who remove air/egr. The ones pictured above i believe are the Ti-Tech Coated ones, suppose to be better than ceramic coated, but are also offered in SS. I got mine from Byunspeed, i call on a Monday, and even though NO ONE had them in stock he had a set re-directed to my house and i got them on Thurs of the same week!

 

I highly doubt that Ti-tech coating is better than ceramic. The ti-tech is cheaper, and several people have already reported rust with them where they welded their slip on collector.

 

No crap.... It will always rust where you weld, it burns the coating off.

 

Aren't they coated after they are assembled?

 

Not if you get the ones with the "slip on collectors." They have ones fully welded(collectors look the same as the pacesetters), which is not the merge type slip on collector such as the ones shown in the first set of pics.

 

My Pacesetters Are Only A Year Old And They Are Rusting!

 

Mine are over a year old, I live in Hawaii, and no rust.

 

i love my edelbrocks. no problems with them at all

 

hey everybody. i got the headers through my work (i work at a local speed shop) and the edelbrocks took about a month for me to get them because they are on back order. i have not been able to install them yet because i am still waiting on the Y pipe. From what i have seen, the y pipe merge is one of the best i have seen. very smooth transition and from what i have read, this helps cut down the rasp and sounds better. the Y pipe is also 3.5 inch to match the collectors on these headers and tapers down to a 3 to fit our cat backs. these are the slip- on collectors which feature the velocity spike. The welded versions don't have this but the collector still has an expansion cone to 3.5 in. the runners are also quite a few more inches longer in length when you compare them with the pacesetters (you can see this in the pics). i was going to dyno both sets to see the power differences but my friend just bought the pacesetters off me. i don't remember the exact prices, but i believe the edelbrocks were about 20 bucks more total. as you can see, it's a GREAT deal for the price. i think this is a great alternative to those who don't want to spend 800 dollars for a set of QTP's. Edelbrock just recently came out with a stainless steel version on these headers along with a stainless steel Y pipe. those are a bit more and not coated, but look great and will last a long time. i have seen the pacesetter y pipe at my shop and it looks like a piece of crap. the merge is horrible and the fitment i heard was not all that great. however it does look nice with their coating.

i will be sure to post some pics and maybe a vid if i can get one of the car running when i put these on. y pipe should be here in a week or 2. i got a set of polyurethane motor mounts/tranny mount going in as well when i do the headers. i have a magnaflow cat back so i hope this combo will sound nice.

as far as the supra, it has a few bolt ons for now. stock twin turbos, etc. currently on pump, it makes 402 rwhp and 417 torque. im saving up for a big single turbo, fuel system, and standalone ecu for it. that is currently battling the SS funds as i would like to do a heads and cam package on it and a 9in...and maybe some spray.. i love the low end power and the all around powerband of the camaro since the supra does not pull hard until about 3.5k and up rpms. i was impressed with the LS1s when my ex girlfriend bought a WS6 and i got to drive it all the time. after that, i knew i had to have a car equipped with one. im hoping after i get out of school to get a c6 z06 or a viper srt10. by then, i hope the SS will be a full drag car and the supra will be a weekend toy.. i think i might have to stick with the bowtie over mopar

thanks guys, let me know if you guys have any more questions, i will keep you updated as soon as the y pipe comes in.

 

this might be a dumb question, but how the hell do you weld the inside portion of the collector?

 

I don't get this part of the comparison

personally mine were fine though





then again I bought them before they went up in price...all together my pacesetters & ypipe only ran me $430 shipped back in the day.

The edelbrocks look good, but compare apples to apples rather then pointing out flaws in an egr/air equipped pair vs. a non emissions pair.

The only true advantage I can see is the merge collector.

 

The Ti tech coating is just a paint that hold on better than normal hi-temp paint. It offers little in heat retention and scrapes off easily. The ceramic coating on the Pacesetters will hold the heat out of your engine compartment much better.

 

I would like to see some pics of the stainless steel edlebrocks. by the way those are 2 awseome looking cars.

 

Wow very nice cars and thanks for the comparo although I think I'm still going for a set of pacesetters. I think you are going to turn out a valued member of this site. Anyway welcome to the site.

 

Thanks for that info.

I was thinking about getting the ti-tech coating, but figured the pricing was too good to be true. After searching around there was a suspiciously high number of people already experiencing rust. Now I know why.

 

The pacesetter coating is still cheap, it is ceramic but not the best coating jobs, none of the pre-coated headers out there are as good as getting them coated individually by a thrid party. With the money you probably spent on both of them you could have stepped up to kooks or SLP's or something, but great info none-the-less. Coating does not last forever so its a good idea to get them recoated every other year or so to keep them looking good and keeping the heat out of the engine bay, usually only about $250 or so to get them coated which isnt that bad every other year or so. The edlebrocks look ok, but those primary's are big, i do wish i got slip fits for my car though

 

All together, i spent way less than a set of QTP's because i got both sets of headers at cost. No biggie either way because i have already sold the headers to a friend of mine. From what i understand, the SLP headers hang real low and are no good on a lowered car. I don't believe that this is an apple to oranges comparison because they are comparable in price. Even the race style Pacesetters would still be lacking a stepped header desigh (edelbrocks are 1 3/4 to 1 7/8), high velocity merge collector with velocity spike, 3.5 inch collector, longer primaries, and they are engineered to deliver the correct firing-order pulse sequence in the collector. I acThe edelbrocks also come with a plug and play OEM plug style 02 extensions. The pacesetter Y pipe is also a piece of crap from what i have seen. The pipe is smashed to have better clearance like the stock Y and the merge is one of the worst i have seen. Just wait until you see pics of the Edelbrock Y-pipe, i am convinced you will be impressed...
I am not bashing the Pacesetter headers as i am sure they perform well since they are so popular. However, i think a better set of headers could be had for around the same price.. Just posting some side by side pics so the next person in the market for headers can see what they are getting themselves into.

Thanks for the comments on the cars guys, they are much appreciated.

 

You won't need the stepped version until you get bigger cubes. Pretty much only 408s really see any gains with the 1 7/8.

Still a damn good deal on a set of headers.

 

its stepped from 1 3/4 to 1 7/8th. I think that won't hurt a stock cubed ls1.

 

With difficulty. What has been done on these is very bad if you want your O2 sensors to work for more than 5minutes. As soon as the silicone that is inside the pipe starts to burn off (at ~350deg.C), the fumed silicone coats the O2 sensor and kills them.

The only way to seal them properly is to weld a plate (4-point star shape) up in between the 4 primary pipes. After you slide the collector on, you weld around the outside making sure you weld into the point of the plate.