View Poll Results: Which Headers
Coated Pacesetters
46
66.67%
Ebay SS headers
23
33.33%
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which header?
Originally Posted by gun4hire
I ordered them two weeks ago (not off ebay) and paid $350 shipped. Now the website I got them from said "headers only" - so imagine my surprise when I opened the box and found that I received the Y-pipe with em! 
Originally Posted by TheSecretFormula
Now for that price they are worth every penny. Although have you installed them yet? I wouldn't be too happy until they were on the car trouble free. As was said in the past they have had their fitment issues. They may be unloading some older ones.
1) the y-pipe - although it was 'flattened' slightly, it still rests against the floorboard. A section of radiator hose was cut and fit around the pipe and held with a band clamp - seems to keep it from vibrating. We will see how it holds up.
2) the holes in the flange where the driver's side header meets the head - if you put the front bolt in along with the others, the rear won't line up. If you put the rear bolt in along with the others, the front won't. It is close enough to get the bolt going in at an angle, but it's not perfect. When I do heads, I'll pull that header and elongate the hole enough so that it lines up perfect.
Seriously, for stainless longtubes - $350 WITH the Y-pipe. I don't know why people complain when the other stainless alternatives are 2 to 3 times the price and they STILL have issues.
Yeah, they are a sponsor now on this site - so we can talk about them - but they are charging more that I paid for them.
I had the same delimma when I did headers.
Pacesetters or the XS longtubes.
At the time, the XS longtubes did NOT have a ypipe available. I then decided to make it easier on myself and go ahead and get the pacesetters with tsp ory pipe.
Although, my pacesetters rock! I'm going to have to go with the XS longtubes on this one. Can't beat stainless for pennies more!
Either way, you'll get a good set of headers.
Pacesetters or the XS longtubes.
At the time, the XS longtubes did NOT have a ypipe available. I then decided to make it easier on myself and go ahead and get the pacesetters with tsp ory pipe.
Although, my pacesetters rock! I'm going to have to go with the XS longtubes on this one. Can't beat stainless for pennies more!
Either way, you'll get a good set of headers.
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Originally Posted by my01ws6
out of my price range
Originally Posted by BigArchidia
Save your money and buy U.S. made products. Trust me you'll be much better off in the long run. There's a reason why American Racing headers and other U.S. made systems cost more.
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Originally Posted by BigArchidia
There's a reason why American Racing headers and other U.S. made systems cost more.
...and where are you getting your information on where the headers are produced?
Let's just say they are made in China. What does that mean exactly? I'm willing to bet there is still an american company behind this even if they are using Chinese labor. Or maybe it's just the steel from China and they are made here. Is the steel inferior? Why is the price so much less then the other header companies? Have we been overcharged by others? Why is there all of a sudden talk that coated is better then stainless when I didn't see any of that going on before? Are there trolls from those other companies in this thread? [/unsolved mysteries]
I own a LS1 and a V6. I had the V6 first and I got coated pacesetters for them. They were the worst fitting headers ever. Almost everyone had to cut their y and get a small piece welded in to make it fit. Pacesetter didn't really care. And there were many many people with issues. So I don't really care to give them any more business. Yeah, an american company took care of me and everyone else well. So what's with all this made in america pride? Just because it's made here doesn't make it any good.
If you need any proof that we're getting ripped off by our great american companies just look up at the stickies.
I own a LS1 and a V6. I had the V6 first and I got coated pacesetters for them. They were the worst fitting headers ever. Almost everyone had to cut their y and get a small piece welded in to make it fit. Pacesetter didn't really care. And there were many many people with issues. So I don't really care to give them any more business. Yeah, an american company took care of me and everyone else well. So what's with all this made in america pride? Just because it's made here doesn't make it any good.
If you need any proof that we're getting ripped off by our great american companies just look up at the stickies.
1. Posting links to non-sponsor sales, ads, or websites.
2. Posting pricing, or pricing comparisons vs LS1TECH Sponsors.
3. Posting about availability, or soliciting Ebay headers.
4. Comparisons with LS1TECH sponsor sold headers.
2. Posting pricing, or pricing comparisons vs LS1TECH Sponsors.
3. Posting about availability, or soliciting Ebay headers.
4. Comparisons with LS1TECH sponsor sold headers.
Last edited by Dom; May 17, 2007 at 08:29 PM.
Message to byunspeed from Cantalope Kid
This is the message:
2002 Chevy Camaro SS (LS1)
"Offroad" Pacesetter Headers
"Offroad" Pacesetter Y
Reply from byunspeed
72C2256 and 82-1163 listed on our website shipped, that is the guaranteed lowest price. Thanks.
Reply from Cantalope Kid
Didn't know if you were aware but a sponsor on LS1tech.com is selling 304 stainless steel headers and y pipe for $550 shipped in the group purchase section for (www.not-a-sponsor.com). I know you can't price match since you don't carry these but I think you folks are fixing to lose a lot of money competing with them at these prices. Think about it, why would anyone buy these 2 items for a combined price of $500+ shipping cost when they can get a full stainless steel set for $550 including shipping cost? I don't agree with several pricing issues with sponsors or non-sponsors but somethings gotta give. Personally I think you getting undersold by a better product, but I also believe if this $550+shipping is achievable for that nice a product you are probably making out like a bandit on the pacesetters so no one is really winning anymore except for the people from www.not-a-sponsor.com .
This is the message:
2002 Chevy Camaro SS (LS1)
"Offroad" Pacesetter Headers
"Offroad" Pacesetter Y
Reply from byunspeed
72C2256 and 82-1163 listed on our website shipped, that is the guaranteed lowest price. Thanks.
Reply from Cantalope Kid
Didn't know if you were aware but a sponsor on LS1tech.com is selling 304 stainless steel headers and y pipe for $550 shipped in the group purchase section for (www.not-a-sponsor.com). I know you can't price match since you don't carry these but I think you folks are fixing to lose a lot of money competing with them at these prices. Think about it, why would anyone buy these 2 items for a combined price of $500+ shipping cost when they can get a full stainless steel set for $550 including shipping cost? I don't agree with several pricing issues with sponsors or non-sponsors but somethings gotta give. Personally I think you getting undersold by a better product, but I also believe if this $550+shipping is achievable for that nice a product you are probably making out like a bandit on the pacesetters so no one is really winning anymore except for the people from www.not-a-sponsor.com .
Last edited by WILWAXU; Jun 11, 2007 at 06:05 PM.
Well I have the "Ebay" XS headers. If they were still $299 I'd say go with them but now that they raised the price and come with the poor fitting Y pipe I'd say go with Pacesetter.
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From: Philly
Originally Posted by TheSecretFormula
Save the $100 and get the pacesetters. Everyone makes such a big deal about stainless headers. The ceramic coating will last years and keep underhood temps lower than uncoated stainless. Who gives a **** if your headers last 10 years? Have any of us owned a car that long? I have had both stainless and ceramic coated header and they have both held up just fine. $600 is too much for chinese made E-Bay clone headers. If they were $400 I would say jump on them.
there really is no point to buying pacesetters with these headers around. while these headers are a step down from QTP's and ARH's since they lack a velocity spike/merge collectors, they are vastly superior in every way, shape and form to pacesetters. they're so superior to pacesetters, you'd be foolish to actually buy pacesetters nowadays.
it's been said before: these are NOT "ebay headers." they're not an ebay company. they're a new up-and-coming company that has little to no market share. in order to play with the big dogs like kooks, hooker and american racing - names that people know - they have to sell their headers at little to no profit in order to make a name for themselves. this is how businesses establish themselves in a flooded market - they have to nearly give their product away. in today's electronic world, the best way to reach people is by ebay since it requires no advertisement dollars, and it keeps their prices low since there is no middle man.
just because they sell their headers on ebay doesn't mean they're an ebay company. these are a good product and they've been proven time and time again. again, buying pacesetters with these around at this low price is, simply put, foolish.
get the stainless XS headers, but buy them from the SPONSOR selling them. that way, you get things like a reliable return policy.
Staging Lane
Joined: Aug 2007
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Originally Posted by TheSecretFormula
Save the $100 and get the pacesetters. Everyone makes such a big deal about stainless headers. The ceramic coating will last years and keep underhood temps lower than uncoated stainless. Who gives a **** if your headers last 10 years? Have any of us owned a car that long? I have had both stainless and ceramic coated header and they have both held up just fine. $600 is too much for chinese made E-Bay clone headers. If they were $400 I would say jump on them.
I guess I'm a big idiot for buying Kooks then. Damn, I hate being an idiot. . .
