AR Headers or SuperMaxx headers
you're going to. I just got off the phone with a guy that works for
NJ vehicle inspections. The number i called was 888-656-6867. And they told me that they DO check for emissions,
plus the mirror under the car, and they run the OBD2 test. So i'll have to try
Ancora next time add see what happens. The ones i goto is Woodbury, Cherry Hill, and sometimes Ancora. But i haven't been back there since that guy popped
my WS6 hood.
I guess they'll really bust my ***** if i ever get my D1SC kit, heads, cam, headers and
catback installed..lol. But thanks to everyone for their ideas on the headers. I appreciate
it.
catback installed..lol. But thanks to everyone for their ideas on the headers. I appreciate
it.
Well it looks like you have been getting lucky going to the inspection stations
you're going to. I just got off the phone with a guy that works for
NJ vehicle inspections. The number i called was 888-656-6867. And they told me that they DO check for emissions,
plus the mirror under the car, and they run the OBD2 test. So i'll have to try
Ancora next time add see what happens. The ones i goto is Woodbury, Cherry Hill, and sometimes Ancora. But i haven't been back there since that guy popped
my WS6 hood.
you're going to. I just got off the phone with a guy that works for
NJ vehicle inspections. The number i called was 888-656-6867. And they told me that they DO check for emissions,
plus the mirror under the car, and they run the OBD2 test. So i'll have to try
Ancora next time add see what happens. The ones i goto is Woodbury, Cherry Hill, and sometimes Ancora. But i haven't been back there since that guy popped
my WS6 hood.
Ok dude an emissions test does NOT ( lol im not yelling just making sure you understand ) mean that they use a probe in the tail pipe that is OBD1 emissions, OBD2 emissions is hooking up to the DLC under the dash and then the inspection machine checks for codes and readiness status, they are SUPPOSED to check under the car but I rarely see an inspector actually do it.
And im still screamin ARH over here
what was the deciding factor for you on the headers if you dont mind?
Ok dude an emissions test does NOT ( lol im not yelling just making sure you understand ) mean that they use a probe in the tail pipe that is OBD1 emissions, OBD2 emissions is hooking up to the DLC under the dash and then the inspection machine checks for codes and readiness status, they are SUPPOSED to check under the car but I rarely see an inspector actually do it.
And im still screamin ARH over here
what was the deciding factor for you on the headers if you dont mind?
And im still screamin ARH over here
what was the deciding factor for you on the headers if you dont mind?
fact i had a Borla on my WS6 and the guy doing the testing asked what pipe
does the exhaust flow out of cause he was sticking the probe in there. And i posted earlier that i called Vehicle Inspection Department of NJ and they verified that they still use the sniffer.
Anyway I stood there and watched him do this. And the computer gave a print out of the emissions contents and it showed all the test that my car passed.
The only place i ever heard that they only checked the OBD2 only was
small shops not the large state inspection centers. They looked under the hood too. And i dont know what you are talking about that emissions doesn't mean the test probe...Its exactly how they test the emissions they use the probe.
OBD2 test checks for the self diags. that the PCM runs. Every inspection center i went to also looked under the car...anytime a car like ours comes in with a louder than stock exhaust they over check everything, atleast it's been my experience. NJ basically adopts the same emissions compliance as CA and NY. And those states use the sniffer. I chose the SuperMaxx headers since they built the FLP's that i had on my '99 SS and '02 WS6. My car performed
great with those headers, and the SuperMaxx's are now better since they are
full stainless and comes complete.
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BlackNite, I wasn't thinking about your car having to get sniffed at the inspection station. I assumed just OBDII like MA.
MA used to sniff when I first got my T/A in 2000, so I installed JBA shorty headers, and not because I wanted to. I figured they were better than the stock manifolds and they were, a little bit, plus they were CARB certified and I figured I could get a sticker. Within the past few years, MA switched over to OBDII only, and at the inspection station I go to they don't check the car out at all, just plug into the port on the car. That's when I decided to go with LTs.
My point is that maybe you shouldn't be looking at LTs at all if you want to pass inspection. I know I never could have passed in MA, with LTs, when they sniffed.
MA used to sniff when I first got my T/A in 2000, so I installed JBA shorty headers, and not because I wanted to. I figured they were better than the stock manifolds and they were, a little bit, plus they were CARB certified and I figured I could get a sticker. Within the past few years, MA switched over to OBDII only, and at the inspection station I go to they don't check the car out at all, just plug into the port on the car. That's when I decided to go with LTs.
My point is that maybe you shouldn't be looking at LTs at all if you want to pass inspection. I know I never could have passed in MA, with LTs, when they sniffed.
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^^Well my WS6 passed with FLP's cause they aren't really that much longer then Mac's.
Plus i only ran a 216/220 cam which is a very sniffer friendly cam. As long as the headers
dont cause the O2's to run too cool then you're ok. I had the inspection guys looking at
my headers and as soon as they saw them, BAMB, out came the sniffer probe. But i used my FLP cats. which did a good job at cleaning up the exhaust. And besides the older a car gets the less effective the cats work, and they take that into account.
Plus i only ran a 216/220 cam which is a very sniffer friendly cam. As long as the headers
dont cause the O2's to run too cool then you're ok. I had the inspection guys looking at
my headers and as soon as they saw them, BAMB, out came the sniffer probe. But i used my FLP cats. which did a good job at cleaning up the exhaust. And besides the older a car gets the less effective the cats work, and they take that into account.
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The Supermax necks down their Y to 2.5" diameter after the cats and then exits the merge at stock size (2 3/4") while the ARH is 3" diameter into the full merge.
Several people have gotten the ARH merge increased to 3.5" and then necked back down to 3" at no additional cost and great customer service.
I originally bought the Supermaxx system but then sent it back for a refund after seeing the ARH setup. Don't get me wrong, it was a good system - The ARH system was just better.
Yeah i would agree that the AR's would make more power, but i'm just curious
what the power difference is between the 2 setups. I like both headers thats why i
started this post. I only really wanted to know how much i would be leaving on the table
with the DynaTechs. But i did very well with my FLP's on my full weight WS6 with a set of
stock 241 heads that just had the casting flash smoothed down, a Comp 216/220 .525/.532 114lsa, Borla exhaust and a Vig.3600, no gears and still on the 10 bolt i went 11.7's n/a
and hit 10.93 @ 127mph when i added a 125hp TNT wet kit. So i say the headers did pretty good. And the DynaTechs are the same design except now they are stainless. I would never not buy these just cause they only have a 2.5 y-pipe. The y-pipe, like all others, have 2 pipes, a left and a right which merge together. And a merge is great for speeding up the exhaust which increases overall power. But no matter what y-pipe we run we all still have to connect to a 3" catback...So i really doubt the Dynatechs have any real restrictions.
what the power difference is between the 2 setups. I like both headers thats why i
started this post. I only really wanted to know how much i would be leaving on the table
with the DynaTechs. But i did very well with my FLP's on my full weight WS6 with a set of
stock 241 heads that just had the casting flash smoothed down, a Comp 216/220 .525/.532 114lsa, Borla exhaust and a Vig.3600, no gears and still on the 10 bolt i went 11.7's n/a
and hit 10.93 @ 127mph when i added a 125hp TNT wet kit. So i say the headers did pretty good. And the DynaTechs are the same design except now they are stainless. I would never not buy these just cause they only have a 2.5 y-pipe. The y-pipe, like all others, have 2 pipes, a left and a right which merge together. And a merge is great for speeding up the exhaust which increases overall power. But no matter what y-pipe we run we all still have to connect to a 3" catback...So i really doubt the Dynatechs have any real restrictions.
Dude i'm not an idiot i'm telling you that everytime i took my '99 SS, my 2002 WS6 and now my 2002 SS they stuck the probe in the tailpipe. As a matter of
fact i had a Borla on my WS6 and the guy doing the testing asked what pipe
does the exhaust flow out of cause he was sticking the probe in there. And i posted earlier that i called Vehicle Inspection Department of NJ and they verified that they still use the sniffer.
Anyway I stood there and watched him do this. And the computer gave a print out of the emissions contents and it showed all the test that my car passed.
The only place i ever heard that they only checked the OBD2 only was
small shops not the large state inspection centers. They looked under the hood too. And i dont know what you are talking about that emissions doesn't mean the test probe...Its exactly how they test the emissions they use the probe.
OBD2 test checks for the self diags. that the PCM runs. Every inspection center i went to also looked under the car...anytime a car like ours comes in with a louder than stock exhaust they over check everything, atleast it's been my experience. NJ basically adopts the same emissions compliance as CA and NY. And those states use the sniffer. I chose the SuperMaxx headers since they built the FLP's that i had on my '99 SS and '02 WS6. My car performed
great with those headers, and the SuperMaxx's are now better since they are
full stainless and comes complete.
fact i had a Borla on my WS6 and the guy doing the testing asked what pipe
does the exhaust flow out of cause he was sticking the probe in there. And i posted earlier that i called Vehicle Inspection Department of NJ and they verified that they still use the sniffer.
Anyway I stood there and watched him do this. And the computer gave a print out of the emissions contents and it showed all the test that my car passed.
The only place i ever heard that they only checked the OBD2 only was
small shops not the large state inspection centers. They looked under the hood too. And i dont know what you are talking about that emissions doesn't mean the test probe...Its exactly how they test the emissions they use the probe.
OBD2 test checks for the self diags. that the PCM runs. Every inspection center i went to also looked under the car...anytime a car like ours comes in with a louder than stock exhaust they over check everything, atleast it's been my experience. NJ basically adopts the same emissions compliance as CA and NY. And those states use the sniffer. I chose the SuperMaxx headers since they built the FLP's that i had on my '99 SS and '02 WS6. My car performed
great with those headers, and the SuperMaxx's are now better since they are
full stainless and comes complete.
Ok try to follow me and read thourough without getting defensive, your missing the point, first off I didnt call you an idiot, second I had no idea that any state did sniffer tests on OBD2 cars so I apologize, third an emissions test again does NOT mean sniffer, there are two parts to a state inspection 1.safety and 2.emissions. When they plug into the port and dont use the sniffer that IS an emissions check, also you said you posted that they confirmed they use a sniffer in fact you didnt you typed that they confirmed that they still do emissions testing, and here in Dallas and other states I have been to that is plugging into the OBD port NOT sniffing, sorry for my response seeming offensive about the emissions thing, but thats the only way I had ever heard so I had no idea they still sniffed OBD2 cars anywhere, and the guy below me even stated that his state used to sniff OBD2 cars but have since switched so maybe your state will change over too.
Hey it's all cool..lol I actually thought i was going crazy cause i had you and someone else saying NJ does not do the sniffer test anymore even though i stood next to my car when the guy told me he was gonna read the pollution out the tailpipe. And said it did show alittle dirty but he just thought it was the cat getting older...lol. With the Borla closed you cant really hear the 216/220 cam so i didnt say a word. Besides the cam still was in the exceptable zone..lol. I was just glad to get out of there Sorry if u thought i was offended i was more or less getting confused. Oh man i hope NJ changes take care boss.
Sorry if u thought i was offended i was more or less getting confused. Oh man i hope NJ changes take care boss. Hey it's all cool..lol I actually thought i was going crazy cause i had you and someone else saying NJ does not do the sniffer test anymore even though i stood next to my car when the guy told me he was gonna read the pollution out the tailpipe. And said it did show alittle dirty but he just thought it was the cat getting older...lol. With the Borla closed you cant really hear the 216/220 cam so i didnt say a word. Besides the cam still was in the exceptable zone..lol. I was just glad to get out of there Sorry if u thought i was offended i was more or less getting confused. Oh man i hope NJ changes take care boss.
Sorry if u thought i was offended i was more or less getting confused. Oh man i hope NJ changes take care boss.Well then NJ sucks lol.
