brokeLS1owner

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im goiung to be purchasing the ms4 cam package real soon and i wanna make sure im not missing anything.
cam package- cam dual springs retainers and pushrods
ls6 oil pump
ls2 timing set
ls6 intake eventually
obviously goin to need a tune but that will come in the spring
anything else for the install?
crank bolt?
pulley puller?
any advice would be helpful, this is my first cam install and i plan on using the ls1howto guide, i just wanna make sure im not missing anything

thanks for the help guys

405HP_Z06

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New balancer bolt - Yes
Balancer puller - Yes
Balancer installer - Yes
Valve spring compressor - Yes

SSTYCOON

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timing cover gasket and front main seal gasket.... preventative maintance!
hey why your at it.. get a ASP underdrive pully, 8-10 RWHP

jlrz28

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- Set of metric sockets, deep and normal (8/10/12/15 may be needed)
- Set of Metric wrenches (8/10/12/15 may be needed)
- Large 1/2" drive breaker bar
- 1/2" drive 24mm socket
- Recommended: Metric "Gear" wrenches
- Torque wrench for 20lb/ft up to 150+lb/ft (or more if possible)
- Various socket extensions, ranging from 1" to 6"
- Medium length socket wrench
- Piece of pipe to slip over breaker bar handle
- 3 armed pulley puller
- Medium sized pliers (for hose clamps)
- Medium sized flat head screwdriver
- 3+ gallon Bucket

- JPR Cam install tool from (recommended)
OR
- 16 retractable pen magnets with pocket clip

- Valve spring compressor:
- Recommended: Air compressor and leak down spark plug hole fitting for air hose
- Optional: Flywheel locking tool (for automatic transmission cars only)
- Highly Recommended: Longer crankshaft pulley bolt, M16 x 2.0 pitch x 120mm long

brokeLS1owner

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im gonna get tims valve spring tool unless u have an easier method but could you help me out with sizes or details and where to get the other stuff at. thanks for your time guys

lemons12

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oil, antifreeze, oil filter.. any other misc. stuff.. its a pain to keep running back and forth to auto store to get ****..

jlrz28

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3/8 Torque wrench that measures ft/lbs

VIPERBLUELX

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Only thing you're gonna be missing that hasn't already been mentioned is torque.

I'd never use a longer bolt to install a balancer on one of these cars.

01ssreda4

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can you safely run that cam without a tune???

lemons12

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you should at least have a base tune.. just a cheap ole 75 dollar tune from someone..

you **Can** run the stock tune, but its going to be a pain in the *** to drive...

dynotune is HIGHLY recommended..

i have a dynotune with my MS4.. i DD it 60 miles a day without surging, bucking, stalling, starts right up... does perfect... before when i had a mail order tune.. every once in a great while it would stall at a red light (once every week or two).. it surged at red lights all the time.. and was hard to keep running when i first started it..

just depends on your money situation..

Kingc8r

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That's funny because a local tuner said an MS4 is hard to impossible and it can't be tuned with an auto....needless to say my buddies MS4/SS4000 did all the things mentioned...surging,bucking, stalling....

lemons12

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CLIFF: ms4 is very street friendly as long as you have a good tuner..

****most**** tuners and people will say that it is not streetable and this and that.. but even on a "mail order" tune it was streetable, just not a huge joy to drive at times..

i have a *VERY* good tuner... he is one of the best for our cars down here..

i PROMISE you it can be tuned for an auto and it is FAAAR from impossible..

my mods.. ms4, PRCls6s, ported 90/90, pacesetter LT's, xpipe into 1 chambers, 410s, Vig. 4k stall..

ive already stated how it acted with a "mail order" on it.. basically what that was..
my tuner came up the day after we got the car running.. hooked his laptop up to it and fiddle farted with it for about 5 minutes.. drove it on that tune for about a month and a half.. it was somewhat of a pain to drive but wasnt unstreetable by any means..

then i went to get my dynotune... a buddy of mine has a F13 cam (fairly small).. and mine has just as good street manners as his does.. as mentioned i drive mine about 60 miles a day.. raining/cold/hot, whatever.. and i have 0 problems..

when people dog the ms4 about not being streetable and/or can not tune it and get it running right... either A. have not had one and they are going off hearsay or B. had a crappy tune/tuner..
this goes for all the cams that are similar to the MS4.. Trex, pollutor, Etc..

TheLSgun

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You need to get zip lock bags and label them so you don't mix up all your nuts and bolts.

Like " intake manifold bolts" etc...

Kingc8r

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For sure, this exactly what I thought when he said they are hard to tune with a M6 and can't be tuned fully with an A4

Kingc8r

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This is another good idea that the OP should do

lemons12

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yea.. thats the first time ive heard that one...

they are good cams... and street friendly if you have a tuner that knows what they are doing..

i would recommend them to anyone!

Camaro396

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The F-Body Camswap section of www.ls1howto.com will be very helpful with its step by step guide.

By the way, I drove my car all last summer with the MS4 on a stock tune, stock converter and stock gears. I figured I would get my intake/tb/A3 swap done before the tune. Now its all ready to rock.

brokeLS1owner

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ya im really excited about the install and more excted to get it dynotuned in the spring and drive her. an y suggestions for a dynotune place in the milwaukee/chicago area. speed inc get the job done? thats the only place i can think of taking it. if anyone local to milwaukee could chime in itd be much appreciated. also thinkin about runnin a wet plate kit what have u guys experienced with ms4 and spray??

lemons12

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ms4+spray...

brokeLS1owner

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anyone got any good tuners in my area, milwaukee chicago, that ud recommend. since this is a huge part in making this camrun well, i drive it alot in the summer and want it tuned well