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Transgression 04-08-2009 05:03 AM

El torro + which heads???
 
ok guys since im set on the El Torro cam for a cam swap down the road i was wondering If PRC stg 1.0 LS6's or PRC stg 2.5 5.3 heads would be better for the streets? is there anything that has/needs to be done to the heads to make them work with El Torro? does anyone even have heads with the El Torro cam? sorry for the long post but search is NOT working for me :( thanx guys

PREDATOR-Z 04-08-2009 05:24 AM

I would recomend Livernois stage III, LS6 heads. The have 220cc intake runners for good velocity and the LS6 castings speak for themselves.

5.3L castings will work but you have to be careful about intake valve choice (2.02 max on unmilled heads) for plenty clearance.
Some valves have thick base (like Ferrea) and reduce PTV by as much as .020

Another good one would be TEA stage 1.5, 5.3L

Transgression 04-08-2009 05:38 AM

damn stage II's are already $1400 thats alot lol maybe stage II's(305/235cfm is damn good) but i donno if i could swing $1700 for stg 3's. are the stage 2 and 3's good outta the box with no issues on clearance for El torro Predator?

teke184 04-08-2009 09:03 AM

save up a little longer...

but check into the TEA heads...they rock.

Sicko 04-08-2009 01:38 PM

What about TSP's PRC 220cc 5.3L Stage 2.5 CNC Ported Heads?

EarlSS 04-08-2009 01:53 PM

What about the new PRC 215 heads? How would they work with this cam?

Transgression 04-08-2009 07:42 PM

also wondering.....but so far im sold on the Livernois Stg II LS6 heads

SSmoken 04-08-2009 11:16 PM

good thread. I have this camshaft waiting to go in. I doubt i will ever have enough money for a good set of heads though. In case i do im glad this thread is here.

Johns00Z28 04-09-2009 06:52 AM

How about TrickFlow 215s or AFR 205 heads?

Transgression 04-09-2009 07:08 AM

i still need my original question answered. "will those Livernois stage 2 or 3 ls6 heads outta the box work alright with the El Torro cam w/o clearance issues???"

Spellbound 04-09-2009 08:23 AM


Originally Posted by PREDATOR-Z (Post 11392785)
I would recomend Livernois stage III, LS6 heads. The have 220cc intake runners for good velocity and the LS6 castings speak for themselves.

5.3L castings will work but you have to be careful about intake valve choice (2.02 max on unmilled heads) for plenty clearance.
Some valves have thick base (like Ferrea) and reduce PTV by as much as .020

Another good one would be TEA stage 1.5, 5.3L


Another vote for TEA 1.5's.

My girlfriends car has trapped 120mph many times with these heads and a 224/228 cam in her A4 Z/28.

LivernoisMotorsports 04-09-2009 09:39 AM


Originally Posted by Transgression (Post 11399399)
i still need my original question answered. "will those Livernois stage 2 or 3 ls6 heads outta the box work alright with the El Torro cam w/o clearance issues???"

What are the specs on that cam? If it clears with stock heads, it will clear with our stage 2 heads. Of course we always recommend checking clearance when doing a head/cam swap.

My C5 with our stage 1 CNC heads, 224/228 114 cam, Longtube Headers & X-Pipe, and CAI went 120 mph in the 1/4 mile.

Thank you for your interest, please let us know if you have any other questions.

Regards,

Rick LeBlanc
Livernois Motorsports

Transgression 04-09-2009 10:01 AM

the El Torro cam specs are 230/230 .612/592 111 LSA+2 xfi/xer

How would ur stage 2 cam do aginst the El torro? cause i like the specs just think i might want it on a 112 lsa for a sooner peak(street car only M6)

PREDATOR-Z 04-09-2009 10:13 AM


Originally Posted by Transgression (Post 11399399)
i still need my original question answered. "will those Livernois stage 2 or 3 ls6 heads outta the box work alright with the El Torro cam w/o clearance issues???"

Yes, with stock gasket they would have above .080 clearance on intake if cam on 109 ICL.
The stage 3 would be in the .07x range

LivernoisMotorsports 04-09-2009 11:54 AM


Originally Posted by Transgression (Post 11400040)
the El Torro cam specs are 230/230 .612/592 111 LSA+2 xfi/xer

How would ur stage 2 cam do aginst the El torro? cause i like the specs just think i might want it on a 112 lsa for a sooner peak(street car only M6)

We did a lot of testing with different camshafts and our heads and the stage 2 / stage 2 combo makes excellent power and retains very good drivability.

-Rick

Sicko 04-09-2009 02:00 PM


Originally Posted by Transgression (Post 11400040)
the El Torro cam specs are 230/230 .612/592 111 LSA+2 xfi/xer

How would ur stage 2 cam do aginst the El torro? cause i like the specs just think i might want it on a 112 lsa for a sooner peak(street car only M6)

mine is +4 how did you get a +2 lol.

Zach79Z 04-09-2009 04:42 PM


Originally Posted by Sicko (Post 11401335)
mine is +4 how did you get a +2 lol.

you can get it a +4 or +2

Sicko 04-09-2009 10:52 PM


Originally Posted by Zach79Z (Post 11402174)
you can get it a +4 or +2

Just because your right doesn't mean I have to like it. :)

Zach79Z 04-09-2009 11:10 PM


Originally Posted by Sicko (Post 11404038)
Just because your right doesn't mean I have to like it. :)

its all good meng :D

I believe from what ive read when i had the eltorro cam its is more specd for stock heads. I believe predator has a 230 232 he called el torros big brother that he specd for heads that was suppose to make some nasty power

PREDATOR-Z 04-10-2009 02:25 AM


Originally Posted by Zach79Z (Post 11404135)
its all good meng :D

I believe from what ive read when i had the eltorro cam its is more specd for stock heads. I believe predator has a 230 232 he called el torros big brother that he specd for heads that was suppose to make some nasty power

Actualy that one is a 236/236 .615/.602 111+2 LSA, what it requires is degreing on install (for no PTV surprizes). It pulls harder on top and likes (requires) more flow
14* overlap (nasty lope), abit less trq below 3500 than El Toro, but more in upper rpms. Trq curve is just as flat as its little brother. Good week end strip cam and it likes 100>150 shots of gogo juice :D


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