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Old May 3, 2009 | 12:40 PM
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For anyone who cares, I degreed in and mocked up a motor this am for a customer and here are some ptv results fwiw.

2001 LS1 block
AFR 205 heas (unmilled)
-.007 deck clearance
3.930/.040 cometic
235/242 .621/.610 111+1 (LSL/XER)
cam in @111.25 ICL and 31* @.050 IVO and 6.5* .006 IVO
Checked with solid lifter/soft springs and stock rockers!

PTV clearance= .082 intake .151 exhaust

Hope this helps anyone, Joe
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Interesting. I recently read that contrary to popular belief, the AFR heads have more valve drop than TFS.
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Interesting. I recently read that contrary to popular belief, the AFR heads have more valve drop than TFS.
I hear you. I didn't check that, but maybe next time I will though. Most people DON'T know how to check PTV correctly anyways from what I see. Heres another one for you.

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Stk Heads
Stk GM Head gaskets
Std. Deck (-.006 to -.008)
Crane 236/242 .600/.609 110+2 (HR5/HR5 Lobes)
Cam RETARDED 2.5* 110.5 ICL (for livable ptv, A4 car) needs cut imo.

PTV results= .041 intake w/cam installed straight up
.052+ intake, & can't remember on exhaust, but was ok .100+?
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Old May 3, 2009 | 01:26 PM
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I will post up some Crane LS1 "quick lift" rocker cam timing results, compared to a stock LS1 rocker also. Lets just say, PTV is on issue when switch from stk rockers to a Crane? (depending on cam design) lol
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Old May 4, 2009 | 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by JPH
I hear you. I didn't check that, but maybe next time I will though. Most people DON'T know how to check PTV correctly anyways from what I see. Heres another one for you.

2002 LS1
Stk Heads
Stk GM Head gaskets
Std. Deck (-.006 to -.008)
Crane 236/242 .600/.609 110+2 (HR5/HR5 Lobes)
Cam RETARDED 2.5* 110.5 ICL (for livable ptv, A4 car) needs cut imo.

PTV results= .041 intake w/cam installed straight up
.052+ intake, & can't remember on exhaust, but was ok .100+?
I must be one of them. I have 'about' this same setup, a stock '03 350HP Corvette longblock with 241 heads and a Torquer V2 cam. I checked my PTV using a spring light enough to push down by hand, yet not collapse the lifter. Straight up, I had 0.200" and 0.190" on a cam with 0.595" and 0.598" lift. I checked it 10° either side of straight up and saw small (negative) changes. maybe on the order of 0.015" or less.

To me, this is a worst-case scenario with the lifter innards fully extended and pushing the valve stem into contact with the piston. What other way is there to do this?

Russ
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Old May 4, 2009 | 05:18 PM
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OEM LS6 block with TFS 215's milled to 60cc with 232/236 .595/.578 113+3 (installed 110 ICL) At 11 ATDC we had about 0.040-0.045 on intake....decided to flycut intake side 0.090 for sufficient clearance!
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I did mine with a checking spring, solid lifter, stock rocker, dial indicator, and an adjustable pushrod. L92 heads, milled .030" on an LQ9 short block.

Its a Comp LSR 219/235 .607/.621 113 +4, I paid extra for Comp to Adcole it for me. So I know exactly how its ground.

I had .090" on the intake and .085" on the exhaust. Im glad I didnt mill them anymore!
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Originally Posted by JPH
I will post up some Crane LS1 "quick lift" rocker cam timing results, compared to a stock LS1 rocker also. Lets just say, PTV is on issue when switch from stk rockers to a Crane? (depending on cam design) lol
Please do, I was doing some research on them and I'm very interested in seeing how the "Quick Lift" design affects PTV. Especially since I'm strongly considering purchasing a set of them in 1.7 ratio for my car, with a setup that I'm wary to push the clearance limits of much farther.
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I'm sure you could call or PM Tony Mamo and ask him about the valve drop.
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Originally Posted by 00SS6spd
Please do, I was doing some research on them and I'm very interested in seeing how the "Quick Lift" design affects PTV. Especially since I'm strongly considering purchasing a set of them in 1.7 ratio for my car, with a setup that I'm wary to push the clearance limits of much farther.
Will do.
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Originally Posted by 00SS6spd
Please do, I was doing some research on them and I'm very interested in seeing how the "Quick Lift" design affects PTV. Especially since I'm strongly considering purchasing a set of them in 1.7 ratio for my car, with a setup that I'm wary to push the clearance limits of much farther.
I never understood "quick lift". Excuse my ignorance...

Why wouldnt you just get a cam designed with fast ramp rates? It makes it sound like "quick lift" rockers are made to help slow ramped stock camshafts.

What happens whey you put quick lift on a cam with a agressive ramp?
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Originally Posted by SweetS10V8
I never understood "quick lift". Excuse my ignorance...

Why wouldnt you just get a cam designed with fast ramp rates? It makes it sound like "quick lift" rockers are made to help slow ramped stock camshafts.

What happens whey you put quick lift on a cam with a agressive ramp?
The motor really like it and the intake opens about 4-6* sooner!
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Originally Posted by JPH
The motor really like it and the intake opens about 4-6* sooner!
So get a cam that opens 4 degrees soon? What happens when you have a cam with an agressive lobe?
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^ I'm sure you could run into some valve train instability issues with an inadequate spring. You also have to be aware of your PTV clearance like it was previously mentioned.
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Originally Posted by JPH
Will do.
Any update?
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Any update?
I haven't forgotten about the rocker/cam setup. I do it soon.
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Originally Posted by SweetS10V8
So get a cam that opens 4 degrees soon? What happens when you have a cam with an agressive lobe?
True, but the rocker will help the cam act bigger and what not! As far as using a cam with a more aggerssive lobe, you can run into some unstable valvetrain issuses also.
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