JoeDirt

These are the specs on the cam:
Valve Lift: .559 / .559
Duration: 226 / 274
Duration @ .050: 214 / 220
Lobe separation 115
Intake centerline 111

I was going to buy this as a sleeper cam . For 175 $ seems like a good deal . Is it 4* retarded and if so what does that mean as far as the powerband goes ?? Will I need an adjustable timing chain etc ?? How can you tell ??

Thanks guys

someday

looks like SLP's cam, would be a good sleeper, and peak around 5800-6000 or so... kinda small by todays standards...

jrp

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ya its +4. and if you dont know much about cams i'd hold off and do some research and gather info and learn exactly how a cam effects your **** before installing one.
thats a pretty mild cam and im sure you can get better hp out of a mti stealth cam or another stealth grind.

and you wont need an adjustible timing chain unless you want one or want to adjust the timing. i wouldnt. it already has some ground in. i'd install it straight up. dont forget new springs also.

JoeDirt

Thanks guys , I had been looking for a stealth II or a comp cams ls6 replacement which is

212 218 558 563 115 lsa

and this cam seemed very similar . I was going to run it with the magnum 1.75 's for a bit more lift but If it sucks Ill save my pennies for something else

JoeDirt

Also , how can I tell how far advanced / retarded the cam is ?? Its the icl number ??

Damian

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Joe, just a thought but you could go with something a bit bigger on a 114 LSA and still sound and drive like stock. The TR220 cam is a great stealth cam and will make a good bit more throughout the entire RPM range than that cam you're considering. On a 114 LSA and tuned, your car would sound completely stock.

I am running a 229/233 on a 114, and it barely lopes UNtuned FWIW...

josh

jrp

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you take the lsa and subtract the icl.

i agree with damian about going bigger, i'd of said the 224 on the 114, the 220 114 would be more of a stealth cam. but any cam with the proper tune should be able to sound almost stock

JoeDirt

Thats a thought . . . . would the tr220 make more than the stealth II cam ??

JoeDirt

Great info !! So 115 lsa - 111 icl is -4 degrese ( or four degrese retarded ) How is that going to effect how the cam makes power ?? Would this came make power if it was neither advanced or retarded . . . lie a 115 icl

Its not even the stealthy sound im after , I dont mind the lopey sound its the rocking and sputtering / shuttering at the lights and when idleing that drives me nutty . I want the smooth idle without a quarter size hole drilled in my tb

Damian

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Which is the stealth II? Isn't that MTI's new cam?

I think the new "stealth" cam is pretty close to TR's 220 cam. The cam I am talking about is a Thunder 220/220 .568/.568 114+4. This cam will make GREAT HP and TQ throughout the entire rpm range. Peak will be roughly 6200-6300, and will drive and sound just like a stock car with a tune. This I can promise. I put this cam in a buddy's car when TR first offered it, and he hasn't changed since. It's a great cam. Made 413 rwhp on 3 yr old heads in his car and you wouldn't even know it's there.

The TR224 on a 114 would even be a good choice if you aren't scared of a LITTLE lope. Even that cam sounds almost stock and will make ~8-10 over the TR220. Both are great cams, easy on springs, won't surge, and make great power with stock or ported heads. I would recommend getting either cam on a 114+4. This puts you on a 110 ICL, and will help low end TQ. When you start retarding cams, you lose low end and bring your power band up higher.

IMO, go with at least one of the two listed above if you're going to go through the trouble and spend the money on a cam swap. I have seen plenty of these cams in action, and I wouldn't even waste my time on something smaller than a TR220.

josh

jrp

iTrader: (16)

that would be 4 degrees advanced. advancing and retard in a cam just moves it powerband around. its one reason alot of high peak big cams have advance ground into them so the cam isnt so peaky and it brings the power band down some.

dude, the 224 114 is perfect, with a tune its smooth as a babies *** . it'll give you great power. just do a search and you'll see, its one of the best mid range streetable cams out there. 224/224 .563/.563 114. will run on stock tune but tunning is best to just smooth everything out.

my 230 with a 110.5lsa untuned lopes like a muthafucka but its nothing that shakes the whole car around to where its annoying or anything . i had to drill a 13/64 hole to get mine to idle.

Damian

iTrader: (89)

I'll be honest with ya Joe, the 224 is the way to go like said above. Hell, my 229/233 114 isn't enough for me. I couldn't imagine being worried about a 224 lol.

I think you'll be the happiest going that route. Forget about all the other wastes of time you mentioned

Josh

JoeDirt

Thanks guys !! Ill do a bit more reading around on the 224 .

Next thing you'll have me talked into a g5x2

Damian

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Haha, well if you're looking for stock driveability the G5X2 is definately NOT what you want..

Go directly to Geoff @ thunder. Give him a call and he'll talk your head off and give you all the information you'd ever need

Good luck,

Josh

jrp

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the x2 is SO yesterday, look into the x3

for real though, i think the 224 will be your best bet. and if you dont like one you can sell it to me cuz im gonna down grade to a 224 myself, but on a 112 .

99 Black Bird T/A

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Before going with the cam mentiond, I'd do what the others say and read up more on cams and check out a few cars with different cams.

I'd go with a 220 to 224 sized one on a 113 to 115 LSA with fast ramps. The TR cams are good starting points.

2002_TAWS6

Great info guys.

What would be an estimate of power increase with the TR224 cam on stock heads? any dyno sheets? Im looking into a TR224 cam myself.

Right now I have an airlid, 160 stat, 160 fan settings, corsa exhaust and y-pipe and I dynoed at about 325rwhp.

1) Would I be able to see 400rwhp with a set of LT 1 3/4" headers, 3" Catted Y pipe and safe tuning with stock heads (not ported)?

2) What would I expect as far as quarter mile times and most important trap speeds with the full 3" exhaust setup?

hope these questions would help joe dirt to decide as well.

jrp

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do a search for TR224, there is so much info out there; et's, dyno's, ect. all you need to know.

on stock heads with full bolt ons 400rwhp is possible with the tr224 on stock heads. more likely you'll hit 380-390 but thats still very respectible on stock heads.