Please check these cam specs for me !!
Thread Starter
TECH Enthusiast
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 506
Likes: 0
Please check these cam specs for me !! These are the specs on the cam:
Valve Lift: .559 / .559
Duration: 226 / 274
Duration @ .050: 214 / 220
Lobe separation 115
Intake centerline 111
I was going to buy this as a sleeper cam . For 175 $ seems like a good deal . Is it 4* retarded and if so what does that mean as far as the powerband goes ?? Will I need an adjustable timing chain etc ?? How can you tell ??
Thanks guys
Valve Lift: .559 / .559
Duration: 226 / 274
Duration @ .050: 214 / 220
Lobe separation 115
Intake centerline 111
I was going to buy this as a sleeper cam . For 175 $ seems like a good deal . Is it 4* retarded and if so what does that mean as far as the powerband goes ?? Will I need an adjustable timing chain etc ?? How can you tell ??
Thanks guys
Last edited by JoeDirt; Nov 17, 2003 at 09:21 AM.
ya its +4. and if you dont know much about cams i'd hold off and do some research and gather info and learn exactly how a cam effects your **** before installing one.
thats a pretty mild cam and im sure you can get better hp out of a mti stealth cam or another stealth grind.
and you wont need an adjustible timing chain unless you want one or want to adjust the timing. i wouldnt. it already has some ground in. i'd install it straight up. dont forget new springs also.
thats a pretty mild cam and im sure you can get better hp out of a mti stealth cam or another stealth grind.
and you wont need an adjustible timing chain unless you want one or want to adjust the timing. i wouldnt. it already has some ground in. i'd install it straight up. dont forget new springs also.
Thread Starter
TECH Enthusiast
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 506
Likes: 0
Thanks guys , I had been looking for a stealth II or a comp cams ls6 replacement which is
212 218 558 563 115 lsa
and this cam seemed very similar . I was going to run it with the magnum 1.75 's for a bit more lift but If it sucks Ill save my pennies for something else
212 218 558 563 115 lsa
and this cam seemed very similar . I was going to run it with the magnum 1.75 's for a bit more lift but If it sucks Ill save my pennies for something else
Joe, just a thought but you could go with something a bit bigger on a 114 LSA and still sound and drive like stock. The TR220 cam is a great stealth cam and will make a good bit more throughout the entire RPM range than that cam you're considering. On a 114 LSA and tuned, your car would sound completely stock.
I am running a 229/233 on a 114, and it barely lopes UNtuned FWIW...
josh
I am running a 229/233 on a 114, and it barely lopes UNtuned FWIW...
josh
Originally Posted by JoeDirt
Also , how can I tell how far advanced / retarded the cam is ?? Its the icl number ??
i agree with damian about going bigger, i'd of said the 224 on the 114, the 220 114 would be more of a stealth cam. but any cam with the proper tune should be able to sound almost stock
Trending Topics
LS1 Tech Stories
The Best V8 Stories One Small Block at Time
Gas Monkey Built a 6-Wheel Ferrari Testarossa With a Corvette LT4 Engine
Verdad Gallardo
7 Most Reliable High-Performance Engines GM Has Ever Built
Verdad Gallardo
Amazing '71 Camaro Restomod Is Modern Muscle Car Under the Skin
Verdad Gallardo
6 Common C5 Corvette Failures and What's Involved In Repairing Them
Pouria Savadkouei
Retro Modern Bandit Pontiac Trans AM Comes With Burt Reynolds' Autograph
Verdad Gallardo
Top 10 Greatest Cadillac V Series Performance Models Ever, Ranked
Pouria Savadkouei
Top 10 Most Powerful Chevy Trucks Ever Made!
Hennessey's New Supercharged Silverado ZR2 Has 700 HP
Verdad Gallardo
Coachbuilt N2A Anteros Is an LS2-Powered C6 Corvette In Italian Clothes
Verdad Gallardo Thread Starter
TECH Enthusiast
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 506
Likes: 0
you take the lsa and subtract the icl.
i agree with damian about going bigger, i'd of said the 224 on the 114, the 220 114 would be more of a stealth cam. but any cam with the proper tune should be able to sound almost stock
i agree with damian about going bigger, i'd of said the 224 on the 114, the 220 114 would be more of a stealth cam. but any cam with the proper tune should be able to sound almost stock
Its not even the stealthy sound im after , I dont mind the lopey sound its the rocking and sputtering / shuttering at the lights and when idleing that drives me nutty . I want the smooth idle without a quarter size hole drilled in my tb
Which is the stealth II? Isn't that MTI's new cam?
I think the new "stealth" cam is pretty close to TR's 220 cam. The cam I am talking about is a Thunder 220/220 .568/.568 114+4. This cam will make GREAT HP and TQ throughout the entire rpm range. Peak will be roughly 6200-6300, and will drive and sound just like a stock car with a tune. This I can promise. I put this cam in a buddy's car when TR first offered it, and he hasn't changed since. It's a great cam. Made 413 rwhp on 3 yr old heads in his car and you wouldn't even know it's there.
The TR224 on a 114 would even be a good choice if you aren't scared of a LITTLE lope. Even that cam sounds almost stock and will make ~8-10 over the TR220. Both are great cams, easy on springs, won't surge, and make great power with stock or ported heads. I would recommend getting either cam on a 114+4. This puts you on a 110 ICL, and will help low end TQ. When you start retarding cams, you lose low end and bring your power band up higher.
IMO, go with at least one of the two listed above if you're going to go through the trouble and spend the money on a cam swap. I have seen plenty of these cams in action, and I wouldn't even waste my time on something smaller than a TR220.
josh
I think the new "stealth" cam is pretty close to TR's 220 cam. The cam I am talking about is a Thunder 220/220 .568/.568 114+4. This cam will make GREAT HP and TQ throughout the entire rpm range. Peak will be roughly 6200-6300, and will drive and sound just like a stock car with a tune. This I can promise. I put this cam in a buddy's car when TR first offered it, and he hasn't changed since. It's a great cam. Made 413 rwhp on 3 yr old heads in his car and you wouldn't even know it's there.
The TR224 on a 114 would even be a good choice if you aren't scared of a LITTLE lope. Even that cam sounds almost stock and will make ~8-10 over the TR220. Both are great cams, easy on springs, won't surge, and make great power with stock or ported heads. I would recommend getting either cam on a 114+4. This puts you on a 110 ICL, and will help low end TQ. When you start retarding cams, you lose low end and bring your power band up higher.
IMO, go with at least one of the two listed above if you're going to go through the trouble and spend the money on a cam swap. I have seen plenty of these cams in action, and I wouldn't even waste my time on something smaller than a TR220.
josh
Originally Posted by JoeDirt
Great info !! So 115 lsa - 111 icl is -4 degrese ( or four degrese retarded ) How is that going to effect how the cam makes power ?? Would this came make power if it was neither advanced or retarded . . . lie a 115 icl
Its not even the stealthy sound im after , I dont mind the lopey sound its the rocking and sputtering / shuttering at the lights and when idleing that drives me nutty . I want the smooth idle without a quarter size hole drilled in my tb
Its not even the stealthy sound im after , I dont mind the lopey sound its the rocking and sputtering / shuttering at the lights and when idleing that drives me nutty . I want the smooth idle without a quarter size hole drilled in my tb
dude, the 224 114 is perfect, with a tune its smooth as a babies ***
. it'll give you great power. just do a search and you'll see, its one of the best mid range streetable cams out there. 224/224 .563/.563 114. will run on stock tune but tunning is best to just smooth everything out. my 230 with a 110.5lsa untuned lopes like a muthafucka but its nothing that shakes the whole car around to where its annoying or anything
. i had to drill a 13/64 hole to get mine to idle. I'll be honest with ya Joe, the 224 is the way to go like said above. Hell, my 229/233 114 isn't enough for me. I couldn't imagine being worried about a 224 lol.
I think you'll be the happiest going that route. Forget about all the other wastes of time you mentioned
Josh
I think you'll be the happiest going that route. Forget about all the other wastes of time you mentioned
Josh
Haha, well if you're looking for stock driveability the G5X2 is definately NOT what you want..
Go directly to Geoff @ thunder. Give him a call and he'll talk your head off and give you all the information you'd ever need
Good luck,
Josh
Go directly to Geoff @ thunder. Give him a call and he'll talk your head off and give you all the information you'd ever need
Good luck,
Josh
Originally Posted by JoeDirt
Thanks guys !! Ill do a bit more reading around on the 224 .
Next thing you'll have me talked into a g5x2
Next thing you'll have me talked into a g5x2
for real though, i think the 224 will be your best bet. and if you dont like one you can sell it to me cuz im gonna down grade to a 224 myself, but on a 112
. 
Before going with the cam mentiond, I'd do what the others say and read up more on cams and check out a few cars with different cams.
I'd go with a 220 to 224 sized one on a 113 to 115 LSA with fast ramps. The TR cams are good starting points.
I'd go with a 220 to 224 sized one on a 113 to 115 LSA with fast ramps. The TR cams are good starting points.
TECH Fanatic
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 1,206
Likes: 0
From: San Antonio Texas
Great info guys.
What would be an estimate of power increase with the TR224 cam on stock heads? any dyno sheets? Im looking into a TR224 cam myself.
Right now I have an airlid, 160 stat, 160 fan settings, corsa exhaust and y-pipe and I dynoed at about 325rwhp.
1) Would I be able to see 400rwhp with a set of LT 1 3/4" headers, 3" Catted Y pipe and safe tuning with stock heads (not ported)?
2) What would I expect as far as quarter mile times and most important trap speeds with the full 3" exhaust setup?
hope these questions would help joe dirt to decide as well.
What would be an estimate of power increase with the TR224 cam on stock heads? any dyno sheets? Im looking into a TR224 cam myself.
Right now I have an airlid, 160 stat, 160 fan settings, corsa exhaust and y-pipe and I dynoed at about 325rwhp.
1) Would I be able to see 400rwhp with a set of LT 1 3/4" headers, 3" Catted Y pipe and safe tuning with stock heads (not ported)?
2) What would I expect as far as quarter mile times and most important trap speeds with the full 3" exhaust setup?
hope these questions would help joe dirt to decide as well.
Originally Posted by 2002_TAWS6
Great info guys.
What would be an estimate of power increase with the TR224 cam on stock heads? any dyno sheets? Im looking into a TR224 cam myself.
Right now I have an airlid, 160 stat, 160 fan settings, corsa exhaust and y-pipe and I dynoed at about 325rwhp.
1) Would I be able to see 400rwhp with a set of LT 1 3/4" headers, 3" Catted Y pipe and safe tuning with stock heads (not ported)?
2) What would I expect as far as quarter mile times and most important trap speeds with the full 3" exhaust setup?
hope these questions would help joe dirt to decide as well.
What would be an estimate of power increase with the TR224 cam on stock heads? any dyno sheets? Im looking into a TR224 cam myself.
Right now I have an airlid, 160 stat, 160 fan settings, corsa exhaust and y-pipe and I dynoed at about 325rwhp.
1) Would I be able to see 400rwhp with a set of LT 1 3/4" headers, 3" Catted Y pipe and safe tuning with stock heads (not ported)?
2) What would I expect as far as quarter mile times and most important trap speeds with the full 3" exhaust setup?
hope these questions would help joe dirt to decide as well.
on stock heads with full bolt ons 400rwhp is possible with the tr224 on stock heads. more likely you'll hit 380-390 but thats still very respectible on stock heads.
