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Old Jan 31, 2010 | 11:49 AM
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the top ring gap may have been too tight also. i see ping marks in the top of the piston. which like mentioned is the tune letting it detonate
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Well, from what I've heard, you had him build the engine on a very tight budget and with questionable methods, cutting corners to cut costs.
Care to share your source of this information? Not that it really matters since it's incredibly obvious who would say that.

In the end, it sucks for the customer and pointing fingers is not going to replace the pistons.
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Care to share your source of this information? Not that it really matters since it's incredibly obvious who would say that.

In the end, it sucks for the customer and pointing fingers is not going to replace the pistons.
The tuner PM'd me, feeling it was more appropriate to explain what happened through PM's, rather than to get drug into an online debacle, and I don't disagree with him on that.

He seems very professional, and explained more about what happened, including other problems with the Cobalt in question, as well as the circumstances in which the engine was built and tuned that the OP and his buddy failed to mention.

Again, I'm not placing blame yet, but it seems there is more to the story than what has been revealed so far.
Old Jan 31, 2010 | 12:33 PM
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The tuner PM'd me, feeling it was more appropriate to explain what happened through PM's, rather than to get drug into an online debacle, and I don't disagree with him on that.

He seems very professional, and explained more about what happened, including other problems with the Cobalt in question, as well as the circumstances in which the engine was built and tuned that the OP and his buddy failed to mention.

Again, I'm not placing blame yet, but it seems there is more to the story than what has been revealed so far.
That is exactly what I expected.

This isn't the first time there has been finger pointing between the tuner/builder since they've gone their separate ways but hopefully it will be the last.
Old Jan 31, 2010 | 12:35 PM
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The tuner PM'd me, feeling it was more appropriate to explain what happened through PM's, rather than to get drug into an online debacle, and I don't disagree with him on that.

He seems very professional, and explained more about what happened, including other problems with the Cobalt in question, as well as the circumstances in which the engine was built and tuned that the OP and his buddy failed to mention.

Again, I'm not placing blame yet, but it seems there is more to the story than what has been revealed so far.
Of course he pm'd you, seems like he is going out of his way to cover up another failure, 5 motors to date damaged and about 4-6 more people that never spoke up, including a GMHTP feature car, and a few of his wyoming buddies that he aparently isnt aware of........He really needs to stay the **** out of this since he isnt helping the customer.
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And you are? You are just trying to start **** once again.. Really you and Trent have nothing better to do.. Just fix the car and leave it at that.. Not that hard..
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That is exactly what I expected.

This isn't the first time there has been finger pointing between the tuner/builder since they've gone their separate ways but hopefully it will be the last.
Doubt it. This kind of thing happens all the time between any engine shop and any tuner. Really good builders can usually tell when it was or wasn't their fault.
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Originally Posted by KCS
Doubt it. This kind of thing happens all the time between any engine shop and any tuner. Really good builders can usually tell when it was or wasn't their fault.
Well, the builder can also tune, so what I meant was that hopefully the builder/tuner won't be working on the same cars anymore.
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Old Jan 31, 2010 | 12:56 PM
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And you are? You are just trying to start **** once again.. Really you and Trent have nothing better to do.. Just fix the car and leave it at that.. Not that hard..
Brock please, I started the thread to see what the cause was, not to start ****. Obviously you pointed out the thread to clint or he wouldnt even be on here hiding in pm's. This was simply to state what people thought happened, not for anything else. At least Trent offered to offset the cost, clint just backed out and pointed it to Trents fault like normal. Needless to say most people dont say anything when something happens.

There are a few wyoming people, a GMHTP car, and others that never post or confront the tuner. Im amazed he even paid for seans motor.

So stay out of it and go back to dangling from your daddys ****.
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Of course he pm'd you, seems like he is going out of his way to cover up another failure, 5 motors to date damaged and about 4-6 more people that never spoke up, including a GMHTP feature car, and a few of his wyoming buddies that he aparently isnt aware of........He really needs to stay the **** out of this since he isnt helping the customer.
That's irrelevant, we're not talking about anyone else's car, we're talking about what happened to your car. If you're going to accuse him of fault, then he certainly does have a right to throw in his two cents, especially when he has a business to run and you withhold information that could be useful in determining who really is at fault.

Again, it very well could be his fault and it very well could be your fault, but without all of the facts, it's just your word against his. At the rate you're going, you sound like just another unhappy customer who blew his motor up, and got on the boards, telling half the story, just to get everyone to agree with you and make you feel better and think that you weren't to blame. It happens all the time on here, so it wouldn't be a first.

So I ask again, is it true the car had oiling/smoking issues before the pistons burnt up, and a catalytic converter clogged as a result? Is it also true that your builder skipped taking the block to a machine shop to fit the pistons and decided to try and hone it himself?
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Originally Posted by KCS
That's irrelevant, we're not talking about anyone else's car, we're talking about what happened to your car. If you're going to accuse him of fault, then he certainly does have a right to throw in his two cents, especially when he has a business to run and you withhold information that could be useful in determining who really is at fault.

Again, it very well could be his fault and it very well could be your fault, but without all of the facts, it's just your word against his. At the rate you're going, you sound like just another unhappy customer who blew his motor up, and got on the boards, telling half the story, just to get everyone to agree with you and make you feel better and think that you weren't to blame. It happens all the time on here, so it wouldn't be a first.

So I ask again, is it true the car had oiling/smoking issues before the pistons burnt up, and a catalytic converter clogged as a result? Is it also true that your builder skipped taking the block to a machine shop to fit the pistons and decided to try and hone it himself?
Just to clear up some confusion, RS_SS69 isn't the owner of the car, the owner has not posted in this thread.
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Matt this is retarded and you know it.. And Clint saw this one on his own.. You seem to try adn point out everything that goes wrong when Clints name is even hinted at a car, so should i bring up the LT1 Formula that Trent hacked together? Really we all know this is going to go no where and isn't going to help any one out..
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Matt this is retarded and you know it.. And Clint saw this one on his own.. You seem to try adn point out everything that goes wrong when Clints name is even hinted at a car, so should i bring up the LT1 Formula that Trent hacked together? Really we all know this is going to go no where and isn't going to help any one out..
I disagree. Covering up mistakes and not holding people accountable when they **** things up doesn't help anyone out except for the person who made the mistake. The customer and future customers are the ones that pay. If the person who screwed up offers to make things right then that is a different story (which Trent did but wasn't allowed).

Regardless this entire thing has already spread by word of mouth.

Incidentally, I believe I saw that LT1 down at Dave and Busters a few weekends ago.
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I asked the mods to delete the whole thread so everyone can move on, hope that helps out. Oh and clint when you read this just delete my whole acct on your board.
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I disagree. Covering up mistakes and not holding people accountable when they **** things up doesn't help anyone out except for the person who made the mistake. The customer and future customers are the ones that pay.

Regardless this entire thing has already spread by word of mouth.

Incidentally, I believe I saw that LT1 down at Dave and Busters a few weekends ago.
Actually that LT1 is in New Orleans and has been therre for about 2-3 months..

And holding some one accountable is totally different from try to start threads on local and notional boards and pointing fingers right at the tune.. But if they are so confident it was the tune then why get on here and not put this in the tunning section or come right out and say they KNOW what exactly caused the issue? Seems like they just want to pass the blame.
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Actually that LT1 is in New Orleans and has been therre for about 2-3 months..

And holding some one accountable is totally different from try to start threads on local and notional boards and pointing fingers right at the tune.. But if they are so confident it was the tune then why get on here and not put this in the tunning section or come right out and say they KNOW what exactly caused the issue? Seems like they just want to pass the blame.
Trent wasn't the one who started the thread, nor did he say who the tuner was. He didn't come out and say it was 100% the tune because he hasn't looked at it yet but when pistons pop it isn't usually due to "engine oil consumption" issues. Those are normally the result, not the cause.

Matt just gets a bit excited.
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Matt just gets a bit excited.
Yes yes I do, just wanted to see for my own accord. The issue was already solved and ive never seen pistons like that so I wanted to see what happened.




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