Better buy?
Originally Posted by DaleMX
SSInnovations, I hope you got some help from the first few posts as now this thread will turn into a useless argument. If I was you I would not return to this thread as no more usefull information will be available.
allan
Originally Posted by mike m
ok ask him about robferetti's original set of heads
why did the head gaskets keep blowing, why did the heads only flow 270 cfm? and why were all of the seats sunk. and why did they fail the hardnest test? so yes terry was lying to you. there were 5 people who looked at these heads and 3 of them are sponsors on this board so hoepfully they will chime in here.
why did the head gaskets keep blowing, why did the heads only flow 270 cfm? and why were all of the seats sunk. and why did they fail the hardnest test? so yes terry was lying to you. there were 5 people who looked at these heads and 3 of them are sponsors on this board so hoepfully they will chime in here.
255 w/LS6 intake for a top of the line PP LS6 style/spec head?
Your joking right?
If not that's a
because it's only slightly better than a stock LS6 head.
Your joking right?
If not that's a
because it's only slightly better than a stock LS6 head. Last edited by 99 Black Bird T/A; Feb 6, 2004 at 10:47 PM.
Gomer,I dont know you and you dont know me BUT you would NEVER tell me to shut the hell up to my face.Dont make this personal,if you want to be an internet BADASS PM me or keep it civil.
I dont believe I have ever used PP heads name in any negative post,if I did show it to me and I will have to eat some crow.
I saw the heads Mike m is talking about flow tested on the bench and the results were as stated.There was no comparison with Jay's 5.3 heads,the Absolute Speed heads simply blew them away.
I dont believe I have ever used PP heads name in any negative post,if I did show it to me and I will have to eat some crow.
I saw the heads Mike m is talking about flow tested on the bench and the results were as stated.There was no comparison with Jay's 5.3 heads,the Absolute Speed heads simply blew them away.
Last edited by jfm; Feb 7, 2004 at 09:40 AM.
Originally Posted by Sam-eye-Am
i'm new here but i have noticed a pattern. people support absolute then someone says something about patriot and the people from absolute jomp on them. what is the history with that? i have noticed that it is never the other way around though. if no one wants to post it in the public forum then can private message me wiht the history
allan
allan
) Seriously, its not just AS head owners that have a negative opinion about PP heads. I have spoken with several sponsors of this board and it is the "norm" rather than the "exception" that the opinion is that PP heads are inferior. So far, its about 8 or 9 to 1 in this thread, and every shop has the "one" that speaks for them and pimps them, IMO.Compare AS dynos and ETs with PP dynos and track times, look for a pattern....
Shawn
Wow we did get some more useful info on the last post. And we wll thought it was going to be a pissing war for the rest of this thread.
I didn't know that PP had a problem with one set of heads. That blows.
I will agree with spanky, it isn't absolute vs PP, it is anyone using Cartek, LG, TEA, JPR, GTP, etc etc etc. I will say this. On avarage, the same set up on the same type of car will have better results using any of the above heads over the PP heads.
I still like the fact the Patroit made a LS6 head for less but numbers dont lie.
Compair results for yourself and you will see that PP makes some good numbers, but not great like the other companies.
I didn't know that PP had a problem with one set of heads. That blows.
I will agree with spanky, it isn't absolute vs PP, it is anyone using Cartek, LG, TEA, JPR, GTP, etc etc etc. I will say this. On avarage, the same set up on the same type of car will have better results using any of the above heads over the PP heads.
I still like the fact the Patroit made a LS6 head for less but numbers dont lie.
Compair results for yourself and you will see that PP makes some good numbers, but not great like the other companies.
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[QUOTE=mike m][QUOTE=gomer] I like patriot heads, and they LOVE absolute.. so they will say whatever they need to in order for you to buy "their" heads. Call Absolute, then call patriot and tell Terry what Jay has to say about his heads, I think you'll get two different stories.. only one of which can be proven.
gomer you are so predictable its pathetic, 1st off you are the biggest PIMP on ls1tech. I love my absolute speed heads because i bought 1 set and made the power i was supposed to. you had to buy 6 sets of heads to be happy with yours. and as for the welded chambers, ask Terry about the set of heads sent back to him with the 1's stamped on the side of them, they were soft as a cusion. The seats were sinking into the head. do you even have a clue as to what will happen next? that is one set of heads that i had in my hands and was shown to alot of other people. the customer wanted to get his $$$ back and was only offered another set of heads so he took them. so yes JFM and i will agree with the fact that we do love our ABSOLUTE SPEED heads. another thing is i also would recomend TEA, GTP, JPR heads over the pp heads.
The heads you are talking about with the #1 in the side is not at my shop.If you want proof of the heat treat certificate ,email me.If the heads in question,was as bad as you say,wouldn't the customer call and tell me the results.Why don't you bring down a set of absolutes and test them on my bench,same time,same day.Everyone involved can see the results,not just a one side of the coin.
gomer you are so predictable its pathetic, 1st off you are the biggest PIMP on ls1tech. I love my absolute speed heads because i bought 1 set and made the power i was supposed to. you had to buy 6 sets of heads to be happy with yours. and as for the welded chambers, ask Terry about the set of heads sent back to him with the 1's stamped on the side of them, they were soft as a cusion. The seats were sinking into the head. do you even have a clue as to what will happen next? that is one set of heads that i had in my hands and was shown to alot of other people. the customer wanted to get his $$$ back and was only offered another set of heads so he took them. so yes JFM and i will agree with the fact that we do love our ABSOLUTE SPEED heads. another thing is i also would recomend TEA, GTP, JPR heads over the pp heads.
The heads you are talking about with the #1 in the side is not at my shop.If you want proof of the heat treat certificate ,email me.If the heads in question,was as bad as you say,wouldn't the customer call and tell me the results.Why don't you bring down a set of absolutes and test them on my bench,same time,same day.Everyone involved can see the results,not just a one side of the coin.
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Verdad Gallardo Terry if we brought a set of Absolute Speed heads and put them on your bench you would cry. flat out they will out flow your heads dramatically. You know what would be nice is if you took a set of your heads and jay took a set of his and brought them somewhere and if it was a public viewing, with alot of witnesses and then we will see how you feel after that.
the heads i mentioned before were sent back to either you or tsp. you sent the guy a new set, mighty nice of you by the way. I believe they were sold through TTP.
the heads i mentioned before were sent back to either you or tsp. you sent the guy a new set, mighty nice of you by the way. I believe they were sold through TTP.
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Originally Posted by mike m
Terry if we brought a set of Absolute Speed heads and put them on your bench you would cry. flat out they will out flow your heads dramatically. You know what would be nice is if you took a set of your heads and jay took a set of his and brought them somewhere and if it was a public viewing, with alot of witnesses and then we will see how you feel after that.
the heads i mentioned before were sent back to either you or tsp. you sent the guy a new set, mighty nice of you by the way. I believe they were sold through TTP.
the heads i mentioned before were sent back to either you or tsp. you sent the guy a new set, mighty nice of you by the way. I believe they were sold through TTP.
heres why I say ABSOLUTE SPEED
HUGGER SS ABS 5.3's, custom 230/230 4200 stall 10 bolt 418rwhp 11.10@122 430rwhp after tuning.
t/a medic ABS II's, comp 231/237, m6 411rwhp/400 STANG DYNO!
99 T/A ABS II's tr230, m6 438rwhp/400 8.8 rear w/4.10!! 11.38@120 FULLWEIGHT and stock wheels!
offaxis ABS II's tr230, 4200 stall AUTO!! 425rwhp/396
midnight ss ABS II's, tr227 m6 429/401
steve burger ABS II's ,231/237, 434/409
JFM ABS II's G5x3, AUTO!! 446rwhp
(friend of nickn20) ABS II's, tr230, m6 12 bolt!! 457/402
cam m ABS II's G5X2, m6, 12 bolt!! 447/415
CJ 01 WS6 ABS II's, tr224, m6 431/400
most of these cars would be right with patriots HIGHEST dynoing car (gomers 451rwhp) or past it if they were a m6 and had the stock 10 bolt w/3:42 gears (like gomers)
Absolute is proven. Patriot is not.
other than Gomer, is there anybody else that cam back patriot??
HUGGER SS ABS 5.3's, custom 230/230 4200 stall 10 bolt 418rwhp 11.10@122 430rwhp after tuning.
t/a medic ABS II's, comp 231/237, m6 411rwhp/400 STANG DYNO!
99 T/A ABS II's tr230, m6 438rwhp/400 8.8 rear w/4.10!! 11.38@120 FULLWEIGHT and stock wheels!
offaxis ABS II's tr230, 4200 stall AUTO!! 425rwhp/396
midnight ss ABS II's, tr227 m6 429/401
steve burger ABS II's ,231/237, 434/409
JFM ABS II's G5x3, AUTO!! 446rwhp
(friend of nickn20) ABS II's, tr230, m6 12 bolt!! 457/402
cam m ABS II's G5X2, m6, 12 bolt!! 447/415
CJ 01 WS6 ABS II's, tr224, m6 431/400
most of these cars would be right with patriots HIGHEST dynoing car (gomers 451rwhp) or past it if they were a m6 and had the stock 10 bolt w/3:42 gears (like gomers)
Absolute is proven. Patriot is not.
other than Gomer, is there anybody else that cam back patriot??