Real World Differences? TSP 233/239 vs MS4
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Real World Differences? TSP 233/239 vs MS4 I know these are both conscidered on the bigger side and top end power cams. Hypothetically speaking, all things being equal, standard bore LS1 with unported 241 heads (pretty much bolt ons and cam only), and say a A4 with a 3800-4000K stall just to use a pretty common setup.
How much difference are we talking about in drivabilaty with these two cams, is the 233/239 going to be noticable more streetable over the MS4? i.e low end/mid range tourque.
Another question, I know a large cam has it's trade offs, but realistically how much below 3K power are you loosing over a stock cam if any? Are we talking the big cam combo being down 40-50 HP in the low rpm range over a stock engine or what?
Lastly make your case for either?
How much difference are we talking about in drivabilaty with these two cams, is the 233/239 going to be noticable more streetable over the MS4? i.e low end/mid range tourque.
Another question, I know a large cam has it's trade offs, but realistically how much below 3K power are you loosing over a stock cam if any? Are we talking the big cam combo being down 40-50 HP in the low rpm range over a stock engine or what?
Lastly make your case for either?
Good street power band go with the 233. Want top end, ms4.
I had a 236/232 last year and I liked it better street wise better than my current TRex. The bigger cam didn't really make power until 3.5k where my 236 made started making power at 2.3k.
The 4k plus pull of the bigger cam is so worth it to me, but I have the supporting mode for it. Gears, shaved heads blah blah.
The 233 will make better power than the ms4 from 2k-4k. From 4k on however, the ms4 will kicks its ***. With the 4k stall I would go with the ms4 .
I had a 236/232 last year and I liked it better street wise better than my current TRex. The bigger cam didn't really make power until 3.5k where my 236 made started making power at 2.3k.
The 4k plus pull of the bigger cam is so worth it to me, but I have the supporting mode for it. Gears, shaved heads blah blah.
The 233 will make better power than the ms4 from 2k-4k. From 4k on however, the ms4 will kicks its ***. With the 4k stall I would go with the ms4 .
The 233/239 might make 5-10hp less on the top end 5k+rpm than the ms4, but the 233/239 will give more torque and low/midrange power, after driving both big cam high rpm andlow/midrange set ups I would say hands down I would rather have that stump pulling touch the gas at any rpm and go setup over a top end only set up anyday.
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That would probly be more of a question for the tuner I guess. I know both cams are big and not optimum for the best street maners, I am looking for how much of a difference there really is at any given point in the RPM range. Overlaping dyno graphs would tell alot, but there probly isnt any thing of a comparo out there.
Just how much midrange are you really giving up with the giant size cams? Will your car feel like a 4 cylinder until like 4K and then take off or will it feel like stock and then just take off like a bat outta hell at 4K.
Just how much midrange are you really giving up with the giant size cams? Will your car feel like a 4 cylinder until like 4K and then take off or will it feel like stock and then just take off like a bat outta hell at 4K.
