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Old Sep 1, 2011 | 11:50 AM
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All the potential out of a stroker with cam and heads you already have, no way. But is the extra strength, reliability, along with the extra HP and torque that comes with a forged 383 stroker worth it, yes indeed IMO.
Please explain. Are you saying an identically driven 346 rebuilt with similar components to the 383 will not be as reliable/strong as the 383 counterpart? All I've read about a 383 is that the piston has to travel further in the same time, contributing to greater cylinder wall wear. What am I missing? I'd like to learn more about this
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Old Sep 1, 2011 | 02:16 PM
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r u kidding me???? look at his mods

lifters/rockers arent goona do anything
ls6 intake and tb
pace setters lts
full exhaust
slp induction

now if you add a cam like the vindicator (known to make great power) and as casts (also known to flow great) isnt goona make 500rwhp? ok can we agree on 480? i emailed vengeance a while back, dont have the dyno anymore, but the vindicator and as casts made 460 rwhp with just cam, heads, and a fast 90......i think the car had a lid also.......through an M6. depending on what "other supporting mods" he has, if he went with the vindicator and as casts he will see 480rwhp, if not a little more.
That 500 rwhp will take a nasty heads/cam combo. No doubt about it. I guess I assumed that anyone building a stroker is going to do that anyway.
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Old Sep 2, 2011 | 11:19 PM
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This thread is full of a bunch of useless information. He is rebuilding the bottom end and his question was is a 383the kit worth it. Y'all are talking about heads and cam and bearings and ****.

OP, to answer your question, only you can decide if it is worth it. You will see around 40rwtq increase across the whole power band. What you need to ask yourself is "is more torq and more potential worth $2500?

Personally I think it is worth it.

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Old Sep 3, 2011 | 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by themealonwheels
Please explain. Are you saying an identically driven 346 rebuilt with similar components to the 383 will not be as reliable/strong as the 383 counterpart? All I've read about a 383 is that the piston has to travel further in the same time, contributing to greater cylinder wall wear. What am I missing? I'd like to learn more about this
I was comparing a "fully forged 383" rotating assembly to a rebuilt 346 that's retaining the stock rotating assembly. This is what the OP mentioned, a forged 383 OR a rebuilt 346 with ARP bolts, new rings and bearings but retaining the stock pistons and rotating assembly. The forged 383 will indeed be a "stronger" engine, and with increased strength comes more reliability due to it being able to withstand greater stresses.

Plus the 383 will net increased torque and hp thoughout the entire rpm range. It will have more potential hands down.
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Old Sep 3, 2011 | 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by themealonwheels
All I've read about a 383 is that the piston has to travel further in the same time, contributing to greater cylinder wall wear.
With a balanced rotating assembly and properly built motor, this really isn't much of an issue. If it was we wouldn't see so many stroker engines. Stroker motors are about as common as silicone tittys, they're not that much of a problem.
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Old Sep 3, 2011 | 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by HTX
This thread is full of a bunch of useless information. He is rebuilding the bottom end and his question was is a 383the kit worth it. Y'all are talking about heads and cam and bearings and ****.

OP, to answer your question, only you can decide if it is worth it. You will see around 40rwtq increase across the whole power band. What you need to ask yourself is "is more torq and more potential worth $2500?

Personally I think it is worth it.
this thread is not useless........only reason why bearings came up was because he needs to think about everything that it costs if he were to decide to just do a rebuild andthen use the money he saved to invest in better heads...

anyway, op what is your budget?
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Old Sep 3, 2011 | 08:50 PM
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Not 100% sure on the full budget yet, what I plan on doing is taking it apart this week, checking everything and see if it all checks out. And if everything is 100% I am going to reuse the stock rotating assembly. I will only buy the stroker kit if I find something wrong, because I really don’t want to spend all that money. I don’t plan on spraying the car at all so I am not worried that much about the bottom end and most of the cars life is going to be on the street. I appreciate all of your guys input and suggestions.
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Originally Posted by 2000PewterT/A
Not 100% sure on the full budget yet, what I plan on doing is taking it apart this week, checking everything and see if it all checks out. And if everything is 100% I am going to reuse the stock rotating assembly. I will only buy the stroker kit if I find something wrong, because I really don’t want to spend all that money. I don’t plan on spraying the car at all so I am not worried that much about the bottom end and most of the cars life is going to be on the street. I appreciate all of your guys input and suggestions.
ok cool.......ill be checking in on this thread every few days......anyways, i still highly suggest getting some rods either way tho.......only 350-500 bucks. oem rods arent the best, and id say that with 500hp they may not be able to hold up
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Consider this.........

More cubic inches almost always makes more average power than the smaller alternative.

You cam it correctly with a LS6 intake even with stock heads 450rwp is a pretty good assumption, torque down low will be abundant and flat.

Get a later set of 241 heads with a good valve job.

Car will run good with the inches.
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Old Sep 4, 2011 | 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by thunderstruck507
346 with great heads > 383 with stock/cheap heads
this ALL DAY...TFS FTW...
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Old Sep 4, 2011 | 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Floorman279
ok cool.......ill be checking in on this thread every few days......anyways, i still highly suggest getting some rods either way tho.......only 350-500 bucks. oem rods arent the best, and id say that with 500hp they may not be able to hold up
OEM rods can handle 500hp pretty easily, its the pistons that are risky. The thin top ring lands tend to crack and break off well before you ever see the limitations of the factory rods.

I'd rock 383ci over 346ci in a heartbeat given the opportunity. Even if you have to reuse the heads you have at this point, you will still see more torque everywhere and make an all around more streetable car than a heads/cam 346. Then later down the road, put a good set of heads on and a more appropriate cam and you will waste anything the 346 could hope to be.
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Old Sep 6, 2011 | 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by HTX
This thread is full of a bunch of useless information. He is rebuilding the bottom end and his question was is a 383the kit worth it. Y'all are talking about heads and cam and bearings and ****.

OP, to answer your question, only you can decide if it is worth it. You will see around 40rwtq increase across the whole power band. What you need to ask yourself is "is more torq and more potential worth $2500?

Personally I think it is worth it.
No such thing as factual "worthless" information.
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Old Sep 6, 2011 | 03:59 PM
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Floorman and zman1, both of you have misread my post. The information being provided to him didn't answer his question.
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