99 WS-sick

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looking at buying a ms3 cam and stock ls1 heads with pro-comp dual valve springs. how is the drivability and overall performance of the cam?
im getting the set together for $700

VandykeT/A

I've got the MS4. I would assume they would be similar. Its a top end cam and mine has pretty good driveability for what it is. Just a little surge but why do you want the stock LS1 heads? I would just offer the seller 250 for the cam and buy a new set of springs. Does the deal come with the pushrods to?

s346k

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i don't like the magic stick line of cams. i have raced several and none of them impressed me. i think there are a lot of other (better) choices for cams that will get the job done. personally, i'd use tsp's custom cam generator.

Sales1@Texas-speed

Both the MS3 and MS4 cams perform great, but far too often I see people install them without the correct supporting mods. Both the MS3 and MS4 camshafts are max effort camshafts so keep that in mind before purchasing. Feel free to give me a call on Monday, and I would be happy to go over your build with you!

99 WS-sick

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im on a budget and time crunch, its my daily driver and i stripped the header bolts out on the drivers side head yesterday, now i have to find another set of heads and while im that far down im gonna just throw a cam in with it. the heads im looking at buying are stock other than the double valve springs and they dont come with push-rods.

Blk98Vert

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Like everyone else said you need to add gears, better heads, better intake etc. Cams around 240s in, durations are dogs down low with stock gearings and heads

Sales1@Texas-speed

When upgrading the camshaft I definitely recommend some chromoly pushrods to replace the stockers as well. He doesn't have to replace the heads but a good flowing intake with a nice gear in the back is definitely helpful to make this cam really shine. A set of our PRC cylinder heads sure would be icing on the cake though.

VandykeT/A

Ok since you need the heads i understand. You definately want to get some pushrods, stockers will bend. I would think hard about using that cam for a daily driver though. Your mileage is gonna drop a pretty good amount and without a gear your gonna hate it.

lady3bglover

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I maybe able to help with that, the heads I mean. I have custom bore 60cc Patriot Performance Head for sale. Used on my 5.3, loaded with the dual gold springs, chromoly 7.40's, and titanium retainers. The springs, rods, and retainers all came from TSP.

Hi Aaron!!

BOBS99SS

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i agree with s346k,and arron at tsp, listen the ms cams are max effort cams that need max effort parts, i also have seen very few proper set up ms cammed cars, i run a ms4 and i can tell you if you plan to go all out with the car you will love the cam, but it is not the budget way of doing things, people think put a big cam in make 400 and it will roll, then they get there doors blown off by a 224 lol, i also would get new springs ,or find out how long they have been going for.and i do not think the ms4 is a good dd, can you dd with it sure if your hardcore about things, imo i would look into getting something smaller, ask anyone that went big from the start 90 percent of the time they will tell you they wish they went smaller and had more usable power for the street .

BOBS99SS

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like aaron said, gears and a good intake are a must for these cams, they are dogs down low without them at least i know my ms4 m6 car was with stock gears, which putting money into a 10 bolt is not worth it for a 6 speed car, also i needed injectors. but imo i would open my eyes to other cams, there are so many better cams out there these days for street performance, some of the eps cams have shocked the hell out of me in there numbers and performance, and have seen very good times with the torquer v2,v3

Cape T/A

I don't agree with this statement, you make it sound like the ms3 is going to get worse milage than another cam? Maybe a baby cam yes, but any aftermarket cam is going to get worse milage than stock. I ran stock gears in mine for two years and didn't hate it, yes it would have been faster with lower gears but it won't kill the car, it was still a blast to drive and could cruise any speed you wanted to go. I recently just got 20 mpg (with a 4000 stall and gears) with mine driving from Missouri to Indiana for the lsx shootout, not bad considering it only got 23 when the car was stock. The Ms3 isn't for the weak at heart, but shouldn't be a deal breaker if he is in a time crunch.

mpatton

Why not just re thread the holes and wait on a cam and do it right

badazz99ss

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Ive had the ms3 in my camaro 6spd with just full exhaust and ls6 intake 3.73 gears i made 398rwhp with it i loved the way it drove it was alittle bucking around 1200 rpms but its a big cam and it pulled its *** off up top great cam u will like it trust me. If i had 4.10's and stock 243s and maybe a fast intake i would have definately loved it. I would say get it.

getcha 01

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You have the A4 stalled pretty high also, the m6 from my experience isnt a friendly setup at all with 3.42's and even a hotcam or any 220-228 dur cam, 4.10s help out an m6 car dramatically with D/D even with a stock cam. The mild cams with m6 car and 3.42 gear buck like no other everytime you leave a stop sign or red light.

getcha 01

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U definately got the right idea IMHO, i'd take the heads off, re-thread them or have a shop install new thread sleeves and do a polish job head work would be around $150-200 most shops,ls6 intake used $250-350, find a used cam 224-228 dur for $250 and buy some prc or pac beehive springs good to .600 lift for $130 and chromoly pushrods new for $90 all together total $800-$900, the deal he's wanting will cost that after pushrods and springs if he needs new springs to replace the duals on the other set of heads. I've read numerous times the duals dont do well with D/D and constant cooling and heating.

silverz28camaro

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The ms3 cam on my buddies M6 car runs great!!! Like mentioned above^^^^ this cam needs other mods as well, but don't let that scare you away!!!!

My buddies stock ls1 heads car with MS3 made 400 to the wheels with shorty headers and ls6 manifold. His car ran OK when he had the 3.42's but when he went 4.30's the car was an ANIMAL!!!!!

Get the MS3 cam now and get gears down the road, you will love it!!

Cape T/A

The stall I ran for over 2 years was tight as heck, i could leave a stop light at an idle and keep it at 1200 rpms if I wanted too. That stall was set up for nitrous, so it was tight until the 200 shot came on.

99 WS-sick

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iv already drilled an tapped it once, im scared if i do it again the thickness between the exhaust port an bolt will be to thin an posibly crack

99 WS-sick

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i work at a machine shop part time so all my head work will be free, heli-coil was my next thought on the problem but like i said before im not sure if it will crack from being so thin between the bolt an exhaust port.