dropped valve seat
Iron heads (cast iron I believe) require stainless valve seats, do they not? I thought that this was required due to non-leaded fuels? 
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If I'm in left field on this, I stand corrected ahead of time
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Originally Posted by Proud2bSS
Iron heads (cast iron I believe) require stainless valve seats, do they not? I thought that this was required due to non-leaded fuels?
If I'm in left field on this, I stand corrected ahead of time
If I'm in left field on this, I stand corrected ahead of time
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Originally Posted by ROGERSPERF.
You no why everything cost so dam much in this country its the fact that some people like some in this thread are ready to sue at the drop of a hat. you cant have a conversation today with out somebody bringing in the legal
department.MAYBE I WILL SUE MY NEIGBORE THIS SUMMER BECAUSE HIS ANTS CAME IN MY YARD AND BIT MY SON.yea i need money for my new engine thats how i will get it. Give me a break.Sometimes **** happens live with it.
department.MAYBE I WILL SUE MY NEIGBORE THIS SUMMER BECAUSE HIS ANTS CAME IN MY YARD AND BIT MY SON.yea i need money for my new engine thats how i will get it. Give me a break.Sometimes **** happens live with it.
Hit the nail right on the head.
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Originally Posted by ROGERSPERF.
I,am sorry if i afended any won in my post i,am just fed up with all the law suits.
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Professionals in the performance industry know the risk. If a Warren Johnson or a Randy Dorton sued every performance mfg for suspect parts failure. . .well there would be no NHRA or Nextel Cup. They understand that when exceeding the limits of OEM iron or aluminum that there is a risk that new found power may break parts. Parts failure is an accepted occurance among professionals in our industry and without it we would never improve upon what we run today.
Please call WJ and ask him if he wants to sue JE/Moroso/Stefs/Jesel/Bryant/EPD on Monday after a failure? Laugh you off the phone.
Chris
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Please call WJ and ask him if he wants to sue JE/Moroso/Stefs/Jesel/Bryant/EPD on Monday after a failure? Laugh you off the phone.
Chris
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Why are you bringing professional racers with megga sponsorship and million dollar budgets into this?
If you drop a valve seat on your car and it lunches the motor while the car is under warranty, then the manufacturer has to fix it. The Federal Government made sure of that. That's why all new cars come with a warranty. The car manufacturers didn't just do it out of the kindness of their hearts.
The aftermarket is free from such rules. But should they be? What if a defective part causes your engine to blow while you're racing and you smack into a wall and die. What recourse is there? None for you cause you're dead, but what about your family? Most will say, well that's racing you knew the risks.
Well here's another scenario. What if you're on a plane and it goes down due to a faulty part. So you're dead, but I guess you should have known the risks of boarding a plane that is flying at 600 mph at 36000 feet. It's not like it's never happened before, remember years ago when faulty bolts were causing engines to fall off the wings of DC-10s. Does your family have any recourse then? Hmmmm....
This discussion goes further than blown engines.
If you drop a valve seat on your car and it lunches the motor while the car is under warranty, then the manufacturer has to fix it. The Federal Government made sure of that. That's why all new cars come with a warranty. The car manufacturers didn't just do it out of the kindness of their hearts.
The aftermarket is free from such rules. But should they be? What if a defective part causes your engine to blow while you're racing and you smack into a wall and die. What recourse is there? None for you cause you're dead, but what about your family? Most will say, well that's racing you knew the risks.
Well here's another scenario. What if you're on a plane and it goes down due to a faulty part. So you're dead, but I guess you should have known the risks of boarding a plane that is flying at 600 mph at 36000 feet. It's not like it's never happened before, remember years ago when faulty bolts were causing engines to fall off the wings of DC-10s. Does your family have any recourse then? Hmmmm....
This discussion goes further than blown engines.
ok guys,i didn't start this thread to debate who's at fault or defend patriot or whatever.i just wanted to post what i thought was some information that everyone might find useful.i didn't see a lot of conversations about what might have caused vave seat failures in the previous posts,mostly it was arguing.if anyone else has heard of a motor dropping a seat,be it stock or modified,chevy or ford or whatever,i would like to know.and could over porting cause this?i'm not a machinist so i'm not an expert by any means.i just would like to see some intelligent conversations on a cause,regardless who's at fault. 
that way we can better educate ourselves when modding our motors.
that way we can better educate ourselves when modding our motors. 
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You can find falt in any thing my pen hurts my hand when i hold it,my fork is to sharp i stabbed my mouth with it,my tooth brush is to rought i cut my gums when i brush.Just because you are stuppid and can,t see that may be you caused the problem dose not give every one the wright to sue every body because its free money.In the racing industry when you push parts to the limit its going to fail either over time or from something else.Oh and reminde me when i get to heaven to sue GOD because i did not live long enought''''
Hey, its all budget. Wether it is DEI with 100M or John Smith with 10K. You better know that HIGH PERFORMANCE engines are ticking time bombs. Not if, it is when it will blow. DEI budgets for this, you should also. If you don't have the wallet to back up a failure in an engine that you have modified to exceed the intended OEM HP level, then I would suggest needle point.
OEM drops a seat they should take care of it if the car has not been modifed. Somewhere in the cost of that car you are paying for warranty.
Any race car driver knows when they buckle up that their life could be taken. Whether you do it for a profession or you are a weekend warrior racing is dangerous. That is why a release is signed, that is why your insurance company ask you if you race any type of engine powered vehicle.
Why are we talking about planes and parameters that they are designed to operate within? Now if that next 737 I get on has NOS direct injection bolted to it. . then I will think about it. Aircraft mfg. engineer these to move people quickly and safely. Not to beat the competition on an air route from Frankfurt to NY.
The discussion is engines.
Chris
OEM drops a seat they should take care of it if the car has not been modifed. Somewhere in the cost of that car you are paying for warranty.
Any race car driver knows when they buckle up that their life could be taken. Whether you do it for a profession or you are a weekend warrior racing is dangerous. That is why a release is signed, that is why your insurance company ask you if you race any type of engine powered vehicle.
Why are we talking about planes and parameters that they are designed to operate within? Now if that next 737 I get on has NOS direct injection bolted to it. . then I will think about it. Aircraft mfg. engineer these to move people quickly and safely. Not to beat the competition on an air route from Frankfurt to NY.
The discussion is engines.
Chris
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You know something, this "sorry, we're not responsible if you blow up your engine, even if you can prove it's our fault" business, is BS. It apparently only applies to car racing. It would seem the aftermarket is not responsible for any liability if they say their parts are to be used for "racing only".
Let's say you go out and buy a $4000 racing mountain bike. The frame breaks and you get all busted up. The frame is x-rayed and a bad weld is discovered, which led to the breakage. Guess what, they're liable not only for the bike, but for your injuries aswell. "But it was used for racing". So what. It was used exactlly for what it was intended.
Let's say you go out and buy a $4000 racing mountain bike. The frame breaks and you get all busted up. The frame is x-rayed and a bad weld is discovered, which led to the breakage. Guess what, they're liable not only for the bike, but for your injuries aswell. "But it was used for racing". So what. It was used exactlly for what it was intended.
Originally Posted by MYTURBOT/A
You didn`t offend me i`m as fed up with it as you are. it makes me sick to my stomach hearing about what people are sueing others for nowadays.
The worst was mcdonalds million dollar pay out becase someone burnt themselves with hot coffee and the cup didn`t say CAUTION HOT.
Originally Posted by SilverSurfer
The aftermarket is free from such rules. But should they be?
BTW, I am known as a bleeding heart liberal, and this crap is still obvious to me. There is no free lunch, folks.
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Originally Posted by ROGERSPERF.
MAYBE I WILL SUE MY NEIGBORE THIS SUMMER BECAUSE HIS ANTS CAME IN MY YARD AND BIT MY SON.yea i need money for my new engine thats how i will get it. Give me a break.Sometimes **** happens live with it.
Originally Posted by CANNIBAL
. Go read any aftermarket automotive vendors warranty. They DO NOT cover ANY damages occuring to ANY part of the vehicle other that the PART they made.
Originally Posted by ROGERSPERF.
Just because you are stuppid and can,t see that may be you caused the problem dose not give every one the wright to sue every body because its free money.