Matt00

Planning on running a fast 102 intake manifod and TB. What cam/heads have you guys seen the best results with? I was thinking of going with AFR but the more knowledge the better. My goal is 600+ rwhp so any and all ideas are appreciated. I will be running a turbocharger at the end of my build but I am going to beef up all of the engine components first. Thanks in advance for the replies.

TheLS1Lover

Do you want 600whp N/A? If N/A that will be a good sized Cam, and you will need amazing heads.

Matt00

n/a? not sure what that means. What heads would you recommend?

Matt00

sorry guys I'm new to the forums and dont know all of the abreviations. thanks for the reply. I am looking into buying heads this month so all input is appreciated.

autogeek23

iTrader: (13)

n/a is naturally aspirated or normally aspirated.

Matt00

Ok thanks for clearing that up. Makes sense now. Yes I am wanting 600rwhp n/a with a turbocharger later on.

Bullitt117

iTrader: (1)

Okay, you want naturally aspirated or with a turbo? Obviously you don't understand the terminology.. not sure I'd be taking on a build like this if you don't know what n/a means. Not trying to be an ***, just being honest..

Unless you have someone helping you that's been around the block a few times.

Matt00

I understand what it means. In my last post I wasnt clear by what I meant. My goal is 600rwhp n/a before turbo. After my engine build is over with hopefully 600rwhp I will be adding a turbo to it. Hoping for close to 700 with forced induction. I hope this clears up any confusion I have made.

Bullitt117

iTrader: (1)

Ohhhh gotcha. Sorry about that. The only problem I see you running into there is having to run very high compression to get 600hp n/a. Then adding a turbo to a high compression motor.. a turbo with high compression is inefficient.

Matt00

Thats one thing I am trying to get around. Trying to keep compression as low as I can that way the turbo can function more efficiently. Any recommendations?

RezinTexas

364 cubes is not going to get 600 rwhp NA. Maybe 500 tops on pump gas, but it will not be cheap.

If you're set on 600 rwhp, just build it with boost as part of the plan.

Matt00

600 is just the plan for now. Im planning it all out for 600 but if I come up short Im boosting it anyway.

baronsmith98

iTrader: (2)

I've never built a boosted motor before but as what was said earlier it would be very expensive to get 600 out of that motor n/a and the compression would have to be pretty high. I would just plan on going turbo from the get go.

LPE 403

iTrader: (6)

Aaahhhh, the cake and eat it too thread. I'd recommend doing some research. When you do, you might first, understand what it takes to make 600rwhp N/A and second, realize what you're asking in two fundamentally different build directions.

It sounds like you're goal is to ulimately run boost. Build for boost now, expect a number WELL below 600 (4xx)....

Matt00

Ok I understand. I am building for boost with high hopes lol. My question should have actually been hey guys I'm planning on running boost on my 364 ci with hopes of 600+ rwhp and want to build the engine for boost first. What do you guys recommend?

Tony Mamo @ AFR

iTrader: (13)

Perfect post....and right on point.

Better....LOL

OP....do some digging on what it takes because the guys on here wont waste time responding if your goals are in left field and you haven't even spent the time looking to help yourself.

I can help you design and spec the entire combo. You really need to work with someone well versed in these engines and most importantly someone you can trust. Spending a lot of money doesn't guarantee results....a really well thought out combo does.

Expect 450 ish off boost and 250 more with boost even with a mild set-up....your pre boost numbers were over the top optimistic but the good news is your boosted goals are in line even with a relatively mild combination.

As long as you have the budget, all of this is achievable.

And once you look around you will better appreciate what achieving mid 400's to the rear wheels is actually accomplishing....trust me its no walk in the park to get there with a low compression short and a cam designed for boost. You will need a very optimized package to do it.

Mamofied 230's with lighter weight intake valves.....one of my ported 102 LSXRT's, a good exhaust and CAI, and the proper cam should get you close. Driveline losses and type of chassis dyno come into play a great deal so all of that must be factored in.

I know you already PM'ed me concerning the intake....if your interested in my helping you with a package let me know.



-Tony

Matt00

Yes Tony, I would greatly appreciate you helping me get a package together. I'm a little new to this particular engine and turbos are new to me. I've done a lot of reading on turbos and check out all of the threads that I can find pertaining to my build but I know I'm missing a lot. Thanks guys for helping me out.

Matt00

Also just to add some info. I have hooker headers, k&n cold air intake, straight pipe exhaust, and a hypertech performance chip (which I plan on taking off and going with Nelson performance) unless someone else knows a better tune? I've posted a thread on the tune in another section. But I'm still looking for more info on that through that thread.

Pharcyde50

iTrader: (11)

It's gonna be a push to hit 600 n/a is this a stock bottom end?

It's doable on a built bottom end if you have a good set of heads and can spin up the rpms. On a stock bottom end and a good combo you could see 500-525 n/a.

May want to look at Mast Motorsports also they have some sick heads.

Matt00

Yes Its stock bottom end. Thanks for the input I will check them out.