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Old Mar 31, 2015 | 06:52 PM
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I have a 2000 WS6 TA LS1 A4 trans. It ready has long tube headers, high flow y pipe converters and a Corsa cat back exhaust, 98 mm air box lid, 85 mm MAF. I was leaning toward the TSP 233/239 cam 111 LSA with PRC 225 heads and a Yank 3600 SS stall converter. When I talked to one of the guys at TSP he was suggested a T3 cam 111 LSA, 225 heads with them shaved to reduce the combustion chamber down to 59 cc. This car is mostly taken out for fun on the streets on weekends but does get stuck in congested traffic. So my question is which cam would be a better fit for my application and what would be the benefits and disadvantages of each cam.

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What are the specs on that cam?
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233-239 595/.603 is the one I was leaning towards. The guy at TSP suggested this one instead Torquer V3 231/234 .643/ .598 with PRC 225 heads shaved down to create a 59 cc combustion chamber he said it would be about 11.5;1 compression. He stated that if I was going to spray it the 239 would be better but if I was not spraying it the 239 would not pull as hard in the mid band power range. Both LSA 111 cams. He said that there would be plenty of room no need to fly cut the pistons. I am trying to get as much knowledge of this before I tear into it. Thoughts?

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Without knowing the LSA or the intake centerline it's kind of hard to say. On one hand the greater lift of the one cam will generate a little more power, but the bigger duration of the other will make a little more in the upper revs. Would you have to notch the pistons with either?
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Old Mar 31, 2015 | 08:08 PM
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Both cams can be 111,112, 113,or 114 LSA I was considering the LSA 111 for both cams .He claims I would not have to notch pistons. I was hoping someone here has tried this combo and can tell me more about it .
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I run the TSP 233/239 on 112 with circle d 4k stall, and livernois stage 3 LS6 heads. This setup is very easy to drive. Damn thing just lopes nasty.
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Would you have gone with the Torquer 3 cam instead if you had to do it over? How many cc combustion chambers are you running? How close are your valves coming to your pistons the guy at TSP said they would not hit with 225 heads shaved down to 59 cc combustion chambers. I want to be sure he is not mistaken .
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Originally Posted by 2000redtaws6
Would you have gone with the Torquer 3 cam instead if you had to do it over? How many cc combustion chambers are you running? How close are your valves coming to your pistons the guy at TSP said they would not hit with 225 heads shaved down to 59 cc combustion chambers. I want to be sure he is not mistaken .
They run 12* valve angles on their heads... I highly doubt you'll have to touch the pistons. I ran a 229/236 with AFR 205's (stock 15* valve angle) and didn't have to touch a thing.

I'd go with the T3, of it was STRICTLY between those 2.
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Originally Posted by 2000redtaws6
Would you have gone with the Torquer 3 cam instead if you had to do it over? How many cc combustion chambers are you running? How close are your valves coming to your pistons the guy at TSP said they would not hit with 225 heads shaved down to 59 cc combustion chambers. I want to be sure he is not mistaken .
No.. i would take my 233/239 still. Its the biggest cam i would run. I honestly doubt your going to notice a huge difference between the 2.

Not sure about the 225 but with my livernois stage 3 LS6 im running them as is out the box with stock gm gasket.

I would look into the PRC 227s.. your best bet is to keep your setup simple. I couldnt get an answer as well if my cam would clear milling my heads. So i run them as is and played it safe.

Play it safe and keep it simple..

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I asked about the 227 heads they offer and he said it would only be worth an additional 5 hp for close to $400 more. He said they would shave the 225 heads down to reduce the combustion chambers to 59 cc vs 62. How much do you think I would gain by having them shaved?
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The added compression might be worth 5-10 hp by having the milled down a tad more like that
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I would take Tsp advice. They deal with this every day.
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Originally Posted by 2000redtaws6
I asked about the 227 heads they offer and he said it would only be worth an additional 5 hp for close to $400 more. He said they would shave the 225 heads down to reduce the combustion chambers to 59 cc vs 62. How much do you think I would gain by having them shaved?
Thats what im sayin... is that extra 5hp worth possibly having clearance issues? I didnt want to risk. Dont overcomplicate a daily driven street car. Id rather have a safe, reliable setup, than one that is risky.

Id go with prc 227 out the box and 233/239 cam. If you wanted a even budget setup .... look into some PRC 5.3 and that cam.

Theres endless results of that combo.
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