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Old 05-03-2015, 05:33 PM
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I havent found alot of info on which heads would be best for my setup. Want the best bang for the buck whether its cathedral or square port heads for boost, TFS,MAST,AFR etc etc...
Engine is Going to be a 408 stroker with 9:5 or 10:1 compression with twin 67s...Planning on making 1000+whp...Just want the right head for my setup/goal. Thanks guys.
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well you just named about the three best options out there....so I assume you must have a pretty decent budget to work with. Most NA applications seem to like the port velocity of a well done cathedral but since your snails will be cramming the air in there, the cylinder head will work no matter what.
The after market heads you mentioned will all benefit from a fancy and expensive rocker arm set up because of the bronze valve guides...so a true bang for buck head would be the CNC GM LS3 heads at just over a grand new. Swap the springs and go. Or if you can find a low mileage used set from the Vette Forums, I'd send them to Tony Mamo for an exhaust runner make over along with a quality valve job and some minor chamber work. Give him a call and see if he'd be willing to tackle that as he no longer works @ AFR....so he seems to be working on all sorts of neat stuff these days.
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MMS 235's from MAMOMOTORSPORTS give Tony a call or E-Mail.
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Given your horsepower goals and the fact that you are forced induction, I would say square ports. I'm sure Tony has some magical mamofied AFR heads that will do quite well for you
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Thanks guys, ive really been thinking about the square port heads but some say that they arent really good for boost since the exhaust flows less then the cathedral head...this is just what i have seen through research... Correct me if im wrong im just really picky on whats the best for my setup...
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Originally Posted by 91ls1silverado
Thanks guys, ive really been thinking about the square port heads but some say that they arent really good for boost since the exhaust flows less then the cathedral head...this is just what i have seen through research... Correct me if im wrong im just really picky on whats the best for my setup...
The exhaust doesn't flow less than a cathedral; the Ex. to In. ratio is less because the Intake just flows so well. The intake flow per cc of runner volume is less than most quality cathedrals which is why the port speed is just slower. This is why I suggested for Tony to attend the exhaust side of a rectangle port. The intake side of the head would only need a nice valve job/bowl work and leave the runner at 260cc. You can look at Advanced Inductions site where they offer a cnc'd exhaust version of the GM 823 head and it works quite well. Mamo would just add a hand massaged combustion chamber to that which believe it or not would also help the exhaust flow.....essentially kicking your hair driers even faster.
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Here's a 245 cathedral
http://www.mastmotorsports.com/view.php?id=349&c=16&s=4

And here's a 255 square LS3
http://www.mastmotorsports.com/view.php?id=356&c=18&s=4

Here's a small bore LS7 for the hell of it
http://www.mastmotorsports.com/view.php?id=519&c=20&s=4

I wouldn't say the exhaust side on THESE square port, LS3 or 7 are hurting on the exhaust side at all.
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And i also wanted to ask. I got a turbo stage 2 cam for the 6.0 from tickperformance because i was going to drop in the 6.0 as is with 317 heads but now that im going legit with square port heads will the cam be good for my setup or do i sell it and get another cam?My cam specs are 235/231 .61x/59x 114+6 lsa...
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That's a question for Martin. Maybe he'd even swap if it's BNIB... I don't know.
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Originally Posted by 91ls1silverado
And i also wanted to ask. I got a turbo stage 2 cam for the 6.0 from tickperformance because i was going to drop in the 6.0 as is with 317 heads but now that im going legit with square port heads will the cam be good for my setup or do i sell it and get another cam?My cam specs are 235/231 .61x/59x 114+6 lsa...
Square ports can be tricky to cam and very sensitive to cam specs. Typically, I see significantly larger exhaust lobes than intake lobes on square ports, but a blown cam is going to be different. I'm with Dr Whigham - talk to Martin or Brian Tooley. Tony might weigh in on good options as well
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Originally Posted by dr_whigham
That's a question for Martin. Maybe he'd even swap if it's BNIB... I don't know.
I would be glad to do so if it's BNIB.
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Originally Posted by Martin@Tick
I would be glad to do so if it's BNIB.
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We have a Walmart style return policy. I think it would be pretty crappy to tell a customer who has spent their money with us that we wouldn't take a brand new part back.

Especially if that part no longer will work in his build and we have one that will.

Swiping a customers card, taking their money and then running is pretty low and seems to happen a lot in this industry. We try our hardest to help customers after the sale.

The only thing we don't accept for returns are custom camshafts due to their highly custom nature. I think that's very fair though.

I've been known to still break that rule in select circumstances. Especially if the cam didn't perform the way it should have.

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Originally Posted by Martin@Tick
I would be glad to do so if it's BNIB.
Thanks Martin I will shoot you an e-mail soon! What does BNIB mean by the way? Cam is still in box and is still wrapped up. Just opened box to take a look at it.
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Originally Posted by 91ls1silverado
Thanks Martin I will shoot you an e-mail soon! What does BNIB mean by the way? Cam is still in box and is still wrapped up. Just opened box to take a look at it.

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Originally Posted by 91ls1silverado
Thanks Martin I will shoot you an e-mail soon! What does BNIB mean by the way? Cam is still in box and is still wrapped up. Just opened box to take a look at it.
Sounds good to me!

You can use these instructions and put the cam to my attention if you wish.

http://www.tickperformance.com/return-policy/
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