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Old Jul 5, 2015 | 12:37 PM
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I'll look over the pick up tube. I haven't inspected it that close. As far as the o ring goes I've used GM, and aftermarket ones. Blue, black, and red. It's definitely not an o ring issue. I've installed them on the engine stand with no angle at all. Impossible to mess it up that way.
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Old Jul 5, 2015 | 01:03 PM
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The colors indicate a different size
Found this on another thread

They are color coded for a reason if the pickup tube has a recessed area where the o-ring goes you need the thicker RED o-ring. The trucks use this design.

GM Oil Pick-Up Tube O-Ring (1st Design)
12557752

BLUE SEAL
Specifics:

* Oil Pick-Up Tube O-Ring ea.
* Chevy/GMC Pick-Up (1999-2000 LS V8) 1st design
* F-Body (1998-2002)
* Cadillac CTS-V (2004-2007)
* Corvette (1997-2008)
* Thickness = 3.55mm (0.140")
ID = 23.60mm (0.930")



GM Oil Pick-Up Tube O-Ring (2nd Design)
12584922

RED SEAL
Specifics:

* Oil Pick-Up Tube O-Ring ea.
* Chevy/GMC Pick-Up (1999-2000 LS V8 engines with 2nd design pick-up tube)
* Trailblazer (2003-2008 With LS V8 engine)
* Hummer H2 (2003-2008)
* Hummer H3 (2008 With LS V8 engine)
* Chevy/GMC Pick-Up (2001-2008 LS V8 engines)
* W- Body (2006-2008 With LS V8 engine - Impala, Lacrosse, Grand Prix)
* Thickness = 4.20mm (0.165")
ID = 20.69mm (0.815")
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Old Jul 5, 2015 | 02:11 PM
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With it being a corvette, the "correct" o ring is the blue. Which I used the with the first and second oil pump new from the dealership. Once I pulled it apart the third time I threw in the thicker red one. Thanks for the ideas but it's not an o ring problem
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Old Jul 5, 2015 | 03:38 PM
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I think its your lack of a PCV system...
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Old Jul 5, 2015 | 04:18 PM
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What makes you think it's the lack of a pcv system? I'm trying to understand why it would have any effect on oil pressure
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Old Jul 5, 2015 | 08:01 PM
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What O-ring did you use on the pickup? Felpro only makes 1 version of the O-ring and it's kinda in the middle of the two that GM makes. It might be OK for the pickups that require the thinner O-ring, but will cause problems for pickups designed for the thicker one. Make sure it's Green for a Melling pump or blue for a GM pump.

In my case, the pickup appeared to be designed for the thinner O-ring, but we had to use the thick green Melling O-ring to fix the low oil pressure issue. Very difficult to get on without damage.
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Old Jul 6, 2015 | 01:01 AM
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OK... Read more, sorry. I didn't think my issue was O-ring related. Convinced it wasn't. But it was. Are you CERTAIN you have the right O-ring and more importantly, are you certain that you didn't damage it when you installed it. They can be exceptionally difficult to install

What about the rear oil gallery plug?
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Old Jul 6, 2015 | 01:07 AM
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TMS recommends Valvoline 20-50w oil with their engines. Give it a try.

Last edited by kelobro; Jul 6, 2015 at 01:18 AM. Reason: fix oil brand
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Old Jul 6, 2015 | 07:36 PM
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I never did try the huge green one. I installed blue with both oil pumps. Then I tried a thicker red one with the stock oil pump. Which was a very tight fit. I did try a 20-50 oil for about 20 miles. Oil pressure would ride around 18 hot. I felt it was masking the issue and not solving it. Rear galley plug is installed I assumed this was the problem and pulled the motor the first time
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Old Jul 6, 2015 | 07:45 PM
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Have you ported any of the oil holes? Push rods have 3/8" inside diameter oil path (slight exaggeration)? If the block or heads were worked your machine guy could have opened up some passages that would reduce pressure.

Is the pressure relief, and the two plugs installed in the oil filter housing? Running an aftermarket oil cooler? Would require more fluid if that was the case.

Once again, have you tried an aftermarket hi pressure pump? I'm not talking high volume, not the same. No insults meant by any questions, just ideas floating around.
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Old Jul 6, 2015 | 09:27 PM
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Also is this an Auto or Manual??

Auto's tend to have lower oil pressure when hot
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Old Jul 6, 2015 | 09:52 PM
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Yes, the Melling is a high pressure melling unit. It has the stronger spring installed. I also put that spring in the stock Ls6 oil pump with no improvement. I have done the o ring at least 4 times and swapped oil pumps twice, and springs twice. I'm getting ready to just drop it off at the machine shop again.

It's a manual 6 speed car. No aftermarket oil cooler installed. Only a turbo feed line. It has a restricted orifice so it doesn't rob much oil. I even blocked it off and started it with no improvement.
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Old Jul 7, 2015 | 01:37 PM
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Isnt it 6 psig not psia? Which would entail a true minimum psia of 20.7 ish?
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Old Jul 7, 2015 | 08:33 PM
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20.7 psia is 6psig.. that's just atmospheric pressured (14.7) added to gauge pressure. Both readings are the same. Not sure where you were going with that post.
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Old Jul 8, 2015 | 02:30 PM
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Josh, another thought is that the pick up tube could be bent a bit so it is not submerged like it should be. You start up with full pressure, but once the oil level drops a bit, you only get the oil dripping back from the engine.
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Old Jul 9, 2015 | 12:00 PM
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If you had pickup or o ring troubles the lifters would be clattering badly. Honestly if you are that determined to resolve this(as I would be too) I'd pull the engine down and find the trouble.
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Old Jul 9, 2015 | 12:06 PM
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Do you have a single or double roller timing chain? If double, just checking if the spacers were used between the oil pump and the block.
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Old Jul 9, 2015 | 03:08 PM
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^good idea^ before it goes to the machine shop measure the crank journals and the ID of the bearings. More than .0015-.002 clearance can cause low oil pressure. You need clearance for the oil film, but there is such thing as too much. Let us know...
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Old Jul 9, 2015 | 05:47 PM
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Ya know the rear cover could be leaking internally too or possibly oil passage damage some place. If you covered all the basics then you need to start looking for odd ball stuff.
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Old Jul 10, 2015 | 04:19 PM
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.002 to .003 is a big difference. They need to be .002 nothing bigger is needed.
Plasti gauge is nothing more than a guess

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