Above and below isnt add or subtract. That's prettt commom terminology. I expected you knew that.

Rect ports arent cathedral so that argument isnt valid in any way. Every company is different but there are some companies that use single pattern or less than a 10 degree split on rect port cams also, spin monster comes to mind with only 2*.

Often wrong how? Having a differing professional opinion and actual results or experience doesnt mean i am wrong or they are wrong either. There is more than one way to get the job done obviously.

The availability part i am right on though. Evem mr mamo said so. You wait at least 4 weeks. Its posted numerous times. The performance...you can make just as much for less...still right there also. That wasnt just me stating tha fact also.
The only vendor I "attacked" was clear and it was only 1.

I can agree to disagree but no need to put words in my mouth either just because you are sore.

 

OP, I recommend you contacting Pat G. He have made over 500rwhp on 6.0 motors using cathedral heads such as PRC 227, AFR 230, TFS 225 just to name a few. And the cams mainly be speced upper 230s on the intake and 240s on the exhaust.

 

I will def check that out thanks

 

I planned on reusing my ls2 timing chain and gear will that suffice? And also would those pistons be able to support close to 500whp or am I better off getting forged for longevity sake?

 

How are you trying to make 500 rwhp? They will handle quite a bit, we have guys throwing 150-200 shot of nitrous at em already and a few with Maggies. Its all in the tune, fuel quality, and ring gap.

 

on a serious note.

I would call or contact Cam Motion, Pat G, Mike Jones and Ed Curtis for help on cam selection for your project if max hp is your goal.

Regarding TSP's conflicting cam information, I would ask to speak to TSP's lead tech on cam testing. I can't recall his name but he's usually at LSfest with TSP cam display. He's knowledgeable and would be best choice at TSP to get the conflicting information resolved.

WS6 STORE is also pretty sharp with this stuff too, provided they have all the relevant details.

 

**** PatG made 508 on a 5.7 using AFR205’s. Damned impressive.

 

Absolutely!
I bet the exhaust split was more than +4
LOL!

 

https://ls1tech.com/forums/generation-iii-internal-engine/732392-recipe-500-rwhp-heads-cam.html

Here’s how he did it in great detail.

 

Very Familiar with that post Darth as I am sure you know.
Obviously others in this thread are not.

Debating internally whether to continue posting as I am having
Whole posts deleted.
Nice censorship/favoritism and protectionism Going on.
Expected more from residents of Texas.

 

Most of your posts are fine. When you make personal snipes, especially against sponsors, it rubs some people raw. We both know what I'm talking about.

 

No bad blood here. If anyone reported him or complained about him it wasnt me or anyone at our shop.
There is always more than one way to build a nice combo. We are both very passionate in our views. Nothing wrong with that. Some days are better than others.

 

Agreed!

 

I'll make that decision for you if you keep up with the childish remarks. Insulting someone, calling them convoluted, all because you don't agree isn't going to be tolerated very much, especially when it involves a Sponsor who helps pay for the site you bash them on. Keep it technical and try to be mature, that's all I'm asking.

 

To me the best BANG FOR THE BUCK would go towards some TFS 220 as cast heads. Cheapest place I've seen to get them from is Brian Tooley Racing unless someone on here can beat his price on those heads.

 

Our pricing is VERY competitive with everyone else out there.
Remember...you can get tfs heads bare with valves also so they will show a lower price. We offer pm guide "upgrades" as well.

 

One thing - and this really points to how good PatG really is... Parts available today are better than what was available when only handful of guys were hitting 500 on a 5.7:

1. The TFS 220 is a great head - does even better in the hands of a great port wizard, and by all rights, it should outperform the AFR 205.

2. PatG did it on a Fast90. That STILL impresses me

3. Cam events were 237-ish x 245-ish.

4. I think he used a Y-pipe, not an X pipe

5. He was using XER and LSL lobes, and we have sort of moved on past them also.

Really we are in a great age of parts availability right now, even for the cathedral platform, and it has made this hobby lots of fun. but even with the better parts out there for us, it still takes quite a lot of attention to detail to punch that magic 500 number...

 

I still like lsl lobes and have used some xer lobes on ls7 heads. They seem to like them.
There are newer designs now but so many from earlier that werent used also.
Having the ability to design our own helps also.
Every cam manuf has had to step up their game lately.

 

yeah, they really have. but the competition has been great for us consumers. but I can see how coming in new, there's a lot more to learn than there was ten years ago on the LS platform aftermarket options

 

Im debating on switching heads to maximize my setup and get it to the 500 mark just want to make sure the pistons you sell would hold up, for na purposes what to you guys recommend for ring gap with those pistons?