Generation III Internal Engine 1997-2006 LS1 | LS6
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

853 vs ported 243s

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 11-07-2017, 11:26 AM
  #1  
11 Second Club
Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
 
Sladester2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Southeast Missouri
Posts: 1,194
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default 853 vs ported 243s

Right now I have stock 853 heads with a btr stage 4 cam.. So a large cam. I run 7.2 @94 on average in the 1/8th mile.. What should I expect if I went to ported 243s in et gain and hp gain?
Old 11-07-2017, 11:35 AM
  #2  
TECH Resident
iTrader: (490)
 
one fast zo6's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Austin, Texas
Posts: 791
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

might run a 7.0
Old 11-07-2017, 11:40 AM
  #3  
TECH Senior Member
iTrader: (2)
 
HCI2000SS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Howell & Fenton MI
Posts: 11,145
Likes: 0
Received 16 Likes on 16 Posts
Default

Depends on who ports them but a good ported 243 head would probably get you a good 40 hp or so
Old 11-07-2017, 12:25 PM
  #4  
11 Second Club
Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
 
Sladester2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Southeast Missouri
Posts: 1,194
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Thanks guys, not sure 2 tenths is worth it to me for the cost and work
Old 11-07-2017, 01:55 PM
  #5  
TECH Senior Member
iTrader: (26)
 
kinglt-1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Ft. Wayne, IN
Posts: 5,809
Received 203 Likes on 143 Posts
LS1Tech 10 Year
Default

I bet you gain more then 2 tenths.
Old 11-07-2017, 04:55 PM
  #6  
TECH Veteran
iTrader: (2)
 
wannafbody's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Pittsburgh
Posts: 4,794
Received 863 Likes on 659 Posts
LS1Tech 10 Year
Default

Texas Speed stage 1 costs $750. If you don't have the 243 heads you can always get your 853's ported. I still have the stock cam and the ported 243's were an improvement on the street. I'm not sure how much hp I gained but the car is definitely more fun to drive.
Old 11-07-2017, 07:18 PM
  #7  
TECH Senior Member
iTrader: (4)
 
99 Black Bird T/A's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Posts: 8,605
Received 1,454 Likes on 1,008 Posts
LS1Tech 20 Year Member
Default

I think Advanced Induction has one of the best overall 853/241 ported cylinder heads. They says a 346cid LS1's can manage 440-470rwhp with their welded up high compression 852/241 heads. They also say that their best ported 243/799/LS6 head are capable of with most LS1 & LS2's producing 450-500rwhp.

Based on supporting mods the properly ported 243/799/LS6 head is probably worth 10 hp to 30 hp over the the best ported 853/241. Most ported 853/241 heads are not welded to boost compression. The average ported 853/241 isn't going to make 440 to 470whp.

There is a lot of interesting reading here...
http://www.advancedinduction.com/LSX...rHeads.php#241
Old 11-07-2017, 09:54 PM
  #8  
TECH Addict
iTrader: (7)
 
FCar2000TA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Arizona
Posts: 2,665
Received 178 Likes on 137 Posts
LS1Tech 20 Year Member
Default

I did a bunch of research on heads over the past year. Basically, TEA and AI probably have the best heads, but also the most expensive. Texas Speed is probably the best bang for the buck. I decided to go with Frankenstein because their price is right in the middle, and flow numbers are close to AI and TEA, but with a smaller intake runner. I'm saving up now to get the Frankenstein work done to my 243's this spring.
Old 11-08-2017, 04:57 AM
  #9  
11 Second Club
Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
 
Sladester2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Southeast Missouri
Posts: 1,194
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Thanks for the info guys. I have a NX kit I have waiting to put on but I wanted to try and hit 6s N/A honestly. I think for the cheap price of 243s I wouldn't waste the time porting my 853 heads. I just saw some 243s for sale on a Facebook group yesterday for $200 a set, guy had a few. Of course they were taken quick though but deals are out there.
Old 11-08-2017, 08:49 AM
  #10  
Teching In
 
2slowTA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 45
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Sladester2
Thanks guys, not sure 2 tenths is worth it to me for the cost and work
2 tenths in the 1/4 mi is one thing but, 2 in the 1/8? Like said before, there might be a little more than 2.
Old 11-08-2017, 01:14 PM
  #11  
11 Second Club
Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
 
Sladester2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Southeast Missouri
Posts: 1,194
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Yes 2 tenths in the 1/8th.. I am already so close cam only it would be a huge disappointment not to hit 6s if I added ported heads.
Old 11-08-2017, 07:19 PM
  #12  
11 Second Club
iTrader: (35)
 
StealthFormula's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Skippack, PA
Posts: 4,798
Received 54 Likes on 50 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by kinglt-1
I bet you gain more then 2 tenths.
I agree. Quality ported 243s will allow that big cam to breathe much better plus would offer the ability to literally increase the compression ratio a full point or so between a thinner head gasket and a slight mill or just milling assuming adequate PTV. Going from factory 243s to ported 243s is one thing but going from factory 853s to ported 243s is another. I would absolutely do it.
Old 11-09-2017, 04:55 AM
  #13  
11 Second Club
Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
 
Sladester2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Southeast Missouri
Posts: 1,194
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by StealthFormula
I agree. Quality ported 243s will allow that big cam to breathe much better plus would offer the ability to literally increase the compression ratio a full point or so between a thinner head gasket and a slight mill or just milling assuming adequate PTV. Going from factory 243s to ported 243s is one thing but going from factory 853s to ported 243s is another. I would absolutely do it.
Thank you. Unfortunately milling is not an option with this cam. I also expected people to say huge gains upwards of 50 hp going from 853s but idk I suppose maybe not. I would be happy with 6.90s which I know is a big difference in the 1/8th mile but considering my first batch of mods dropped me 1.5 seconds I guess I'm kinda spoiled lol
Old 11-09-2017, 06:16 AM
  #14  
TECH Junkie
iTrader: (6)
 
MonmouthCtyLS7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Rotonda West Florida
Posts: 3,955
Received 30 Likes on 27 Posts

Default

The shop I had my work done is a AI vendor, I was going to spend a little bit more on the 243's but they told me the 241 HCR heads are very close in numbers and these guys have done a ton of them. I would say stick w/ your stock heads, you might be surprised what you get out of them.
Old 11-09-2017, 08:27 AM
  #15  
11 Second Club
iTrader: (35)
 
StealthFormula's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Skippack, PA
Posts: 4,798
Received 54 Likes on 50 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by MonmouthCtyLS7
The shop I had my work done is a AI vendor, I was going to spend a little bit more on the 243's but they told me the 241 HCR heads are very close in numbers and these guys have done a ton of them. I would say stick w/ your stock heads, you might be surprised what you get out of them.
^^That may not be a bad idea now that we know the 243s wont be able to be milled given the PTV with the BTR stage 4 cam. Since milling the 243s is off the table, you're going to end up with about 10.5:1 compression with the 243s. If you go with the AI HCR ported 241 program it appears that you may be able to achieve 11:1 compression with your cam. If that's the case, that extra half point of compression will further soak up some of the hp/tq difference that you would see between the high compression ported 241 heads versus ported/non-milled 243s in your application. Of course this is all assuming that the high comp 241 program applies to the 853 heads as well which I do not know off hand.

Last edited by StealthFormula; 11-09-2017 at 08:43 AM.
Old 11-09-2017, 11:28 AM
  #16  
TECH Regular
iTrader: (9)
 
ironmanLS1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Export, PA
Posts: 422
Likes: 0
Received 12 Likes on 9 Posts
Default

FWIW - In my last build, I ran a BTR stg 4 cam and 799's ported by TEA and milled .015". I don't recall what the PTV was other than the exhaust was greater than 0.090" and the intake even more. I sold the car and the combo has been running (and racing) for a couple years now. Ironically I am putting a different combo together over this winter, with a smaller cam and home ported 853's.



Quick Reply: 853 vs ported 243s



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:15 AM.