why do people complain about over 4 inch strokes
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You can keep them. Rebalancing is not a problem. Kent was simply saying sometimes it’s easier to sell what you have as a combo, and buy new. Might even save you money, if you catch the new assembly on sale.
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As long as the setup is optimized for the rpm, you’ll be fine. LLSR requires better springs. For the camshaft you’ll need to turn that kind of rpm, you’ll likely need a shaft rocker setup. Depends on camshaft lift numbers. To get the girl to breathe up there, you’ll need a real good intake also. Do your homework, and it will work out.
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LLSR will be fine. Like mentioned above beef up springs. Also, open up your pushrods bosses and run 3/8 rods. If you are using ls7 heads they already fit. Get manton series 5. Big help for stability. If your valvetrain is good and stable, rpm should not be an issue imo.
I have never built a 4.1 stroke motor but the GMPP lsx454 is a 4.1 stroke, so I imagine if built right is not a big deal
I have never built a 4.1 stroke motor but the GMPP lsx454 is a 4.1 stroke, so I imagine if built right is not a big deal
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Anything over a 4 inch crank is when you really have to start watching the length of the sleeves.
The LSX and the LS2 are both about 5.6, the LS7 is around 5.9 top to bttom on the thrust wall. I'm thinking the iron 6.0 is 5.5 or so. Too bad LS7 blocks are known for cracking cylinder walls.
The LSX and the LS2 are both about 5.6, the LS7 is around 5.9 top to bttom on the thrust wall. I'm thinking the iron 6.0 is 5.5 or so. Too bad LS7 blocks are known for cracking cylinder walls.
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Anything over a 4 inch crank is when you really have to start watching the length of the sleeves.
The LSX and the LS2 are both about 5.6, the LS7 is around 5.9 top to bttom on the thrust wall. I'm thinking the iron 6.0 is 5.5 or so. Too bad LS7 blocks are known for cracking cylinder walls.
The LSX and the LS2 are both about 5.6, the LS7 is around 5.9 top to bttom on the thrust wall. I'm thinking the iron 6.0 is 5.5 or so. Too bad LS7 blocks are known for cracking cylinder walls.
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Anything over a 4 inch crank is when you really have to start watching the length of the sleeves.
The LSX and the LS2 are both about 5.6, the LS7 is around 5.9 top to bttom on the thrust wall. I'm thinking the iron 6.0 is 5.5 or so. Too bad LS7 blocks are known for cracking cylinder walls.
The LSX and the LS2 are both about 5.6, the LS7 is around 5.9 top to bttom on the thrust wall. I'm thinking the iron 6.0 is 5.5 or so. Too bad LS7 blocks are known for cracking cylinder walls.
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correction, i have a sleeved block......still havent gotten a chance to take a few pics, but when i popped the cover on the tub, i found the filler neck broke off the valve cover, and on that same cover the gasket was all hanging out like they just tightened it down without lining it up or something.........it is what it is
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Understood. Darton sleeved? A darton sleeve is 5.800". I've heard of guys going 4.250 inch stroke on those but not recommended for street use at all. Reason why? A shorter piston is used then. Shorter pistons means less rings on the piston. Not so street friendly.
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Not exactly, I still have 3 rings on the piston. I helieve Brian Tooley had a 4.250” stroke engine built a long time ago with a sleeved block and I believe there were still 3 rings on that piston design. On mine, instead of using 1.5/1.5/3.0mm like a lot of “basic” designs, I have 1.0/1.0/2.0mm rings like Mahle uses on their shelf pistons. That’s about .080” of real estate freed up for thicker ring lands and/or moving the skirt up higher. It’s still less than 1.00” of compression height, so no nitrous or boost. If I were to do it again, I would probably opt for a more wear resitant 4032 alloy instead of the softer 2618.
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I hope to Erik awhile back about it. He have built alot of those 4.250 stroker motors. If I recall right he told he uses a custom 2 ring deal on his and the piston is shorter than a average 3 ring piston.... but that's been years ago.
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KCS you continue to amaze with your deep knowledge.
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Gracias. I learned from really smart guys like Erik and others from when I went to the School of Automotive Machinists years ago. *shameless plug alert*
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Nothing wrong with plugging SAM; if you want to learn engines, THERE is where you go!
#60
This is a great post for me because I’m torn between a 3.9” and a 4” crank for my ls1 block. It’s a llsr Mamo 220s and Mamo MSD build, and I want it to last a while, but after reading the article from K1 I’m not so sure if the smarter decision is to go with a 3.9” crank?
I’ll take any advice.
I’ll take any advice.