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Old Jan 10, 2020 | 10:29 AM
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Did the welds on the intake manifold also blow? Stock paper gaskets will hold that motor. Either there was install error or you've got other problems. Did you measure PTV?
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Old Jan 10, 2020 | 10:50 AM
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PTV was good. Since I did the install I'll freely admit I may have done something wrong. As far as the intake goes no idea. I left it sitting on the dyno after saying "fix it" and leaving a deposit for repairs.
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Besides the headgasket I feel like something is wrong making 440 with a big cam, heads, FAST intake 6 speed car.

Neither one of the cams you have is my favorite for your setup. You could sell them both and pay for a better sized cam for your setup from summit. They are $289. The sum-8707 would be great for your setup IMO or the 8708 for a large cam, but the 8707 is plenty. Or sell them both and add a few bucks for a texas speed or cam motion cam.

I'm just saying you could do a smaller cam and have a much better driving car and make the same or more power. Unless you're going to do everything you need to do to support that big cam. Which you're close, but I wouldn't be using a 3" Y pipe exh. You need lots of compression and flow..

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Old Jan 10, 2020 | 07:23 PM
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I'd do the TSP 228/232 over the 228R. The split duration should extend power a bit higher.
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Old Jan 10, 2020 | 07:49 PM
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Was that 440 Dynojet whp, or 440 Mustang whp?

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Old Jan 10, 2020 | 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by jadaven
PTV was good. Since I did the install I'll freely admit I may have done something wrong. As far as the intake goes no idea. I left it sitting on the dyno after saying "fix it" and leaving a deposit for repairs.
What kind of headgasket and fasteners did you use? How much of a mill did the heads have?

Hard to believe PTV was ok on a cam that big, even if the heads were unmilled.
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Old Jan 10, 2020 | 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by 00pooterSS
Besides the headgasket I feel like something is wrong making 440 with a big cam, heads, FAST intake 6 speed car.
Does he have heads? If so I missed that part.
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Old Jan 12, 2020 | 05:19 PM
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Does he have heads? If so I missed that part.

I did too at first. But in the fist post it says port and polished 799's
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Old Jan 12, 2020 | 08:15 PM
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I vote intake killing power
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Old Jan 12, 2020 | 11:08 PM
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I think that power level on "polished" heads, which means different things to different people...

On an "honest" DJ is Is pretty ******* generous considering the mods and compression,

I won't even talk about MD numbers because no one on the internet uses them because it make your dick feel small.....

Change my mind...
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Old Jan 13, 2020 | 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by LilJayV10
Change my mind...
nahthx i like how u think
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Old Jan 13, 2020 | 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Darth_V8r
I vote intake killing power
He ended up with a FAST 92 and FAST 92 tb


Not sure if you saw that part
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Old Jan 13, 2020 | 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by 00pooterSS
He ended up with a FAST 92 and FAST 92 tb


Not sure if you saw that part
I didn't. I saw LS6 intake.
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Old Jan 15, 2020 | 12:28 PM
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While I'm still waiting on word back from the shop I can say that if the Donald doesn't drive well it may get swapped. Just not in a hurry to tear it all down.

Correct, they are ported 799s, not milled at all. I was using an MLS gasket with ARP bolts. HP was rated on a DynoJet.

As for what could be holding it back from better numbers, the push rods were too short. When it dyno'd it had 7.5 length pushrods when it probably needs 7.55 Pushrods. I know, it's a weird length. Yes, I measured but obviously not well.
Running a set of COMP 850-16 lifters or maybe the design of the cam are responsible for needing longer pushrods.

It's been a valuable yet expensive lesson so far. So far I've come away with next time let a pro do it.
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Originally Posted by jadaven
While I'm still waiting on word back from the shop I can say that if the Donald doesn't drive well it may get swapped. Just not in a hurry to tear it all down.

Correct, they are ported 799s, not milled at all. I was using an MLS gasket with ARP bolts. HP was rated on a DynoJet.

As for what could be holding it back from better numbers, the push rods were too short. When it dyno'd it had 7.5 length pushrods when it probably needs 7.55 Pushrods. I know, it's a weird length. Yes, I measured but obviously not well.
Running a set of COMP 850-16 lifters or maybe the design of the cam are responsible for needing longer pushrods.

It's been a valuable yet expensive lesson so far. So far I've come away with next time let a pro do it.
Man I hate to hear it went bad but we all go through it man. It's part of building and learning unfortunately. Don't get too discouraged man, the pros weren't pros when they started and they made a lot of mistakes along the way to get where they are. It's just part of it.
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Old Jan 17, 2020 | 10:34 AM
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Thanks. I do tinker around. First time I've done heads though. I've done a cam swap way back on a 4.8 but it was a very small cam, less than the TSP 220. Other than that it's just been normal bolt ons.

This time around I would definitally do things a bit differently. For now ready to get it back drive it some but unfortunatly it looks like winter has finally come to MD.

I'll post an update after everything is sorted out.
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Originally Posted by jadaven
While I'm still waiting on word back from the shop I can say that if the Donald doesn't drive well it may get swapped. Just not in a hurry to tear it all down.

Correct, they are ported 799s, not milled at all. I was using an MLS gasket with ARP bolts. HP was rated on a DynoJet.

As for what could be holding it back from better numbers, the push rods were too short. When it dyno'd it had 7.5 length pushrods when it probably needs 7.55 Pushrods. I know, it's a weird length. Yes, I measured but obviously not well.
Running a set of COMP 850-16 lifters or maybe the design of the cam are responsible for needing longer pushrods.

It's been a valuable yet expensive lesson so far. So far I've come away with next time let a pro do it.
So what happened with Donald Thump Cam? Update please...
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