My Magic stick V3 came in today!!!This baby goes in soon so hopefully Jason can tune it..

I'll test the cam out for you guys in a m6 :) Great number guys :cheers:

When will the cam be released

Maybe you haven't noticed Joseph but that's mostly what folks do around here is post about and compare dyno numbers. Obviously since we all don't have the same combination and based on your answer to my question this thread is pointless, isn't it?

And to further confuse the issue for a simple man as myself now your saying the initial tune was for a 231/237 cam? So which is it 225/225 or 231/237?

Maybe you just think I'm trying to bust your chops, but that's not the case. I've always wondered how your car at Southern shootout was a tenth quicker than Cain's car yet there was a 30 HP difference between the 2 cars. I see some inconsistencies and I'm questioning them. Same as I see some with this thread. Maybe there are some differences between Cain's car and this one, but there are plenty more constants.

CT emissions on newer cars is just a computer scan and visual verification of cats. As long as the computer says everything is OK (tuning) and you have cats you will should pass. Just go to a friendly place that doesnt care what the car sounds like. If anything when I go I was going to kick my idle up to around 1000 so the lope isnt THAT apparent.

BTW I dont think emissions is coming back soon. They still have to rescheldule about 30,000 cars that didnt go because of the suspension. With any luck they will dump the enitire progrm since it doesnt work and nobody wants it.

It would be nice if they dump the whole thing, if that happens, I'll be dumping my cat's. The shop that installed my headers is an emmissions station, soi am sure that they will be a little forgiving. My concern is that if the system does not get dumped, I will eventually have to get tested. If the cam is not so radical ( with a 113 lsa, I have a little hope ) that it will go thru with cats in place, my second concern is how will the car run with cats in place? I know that 99% of the tests I see are without cats, I assume mainly because the # looks better for sure, but if I am in a position where I have to run them, will the car run correctly with a cam like this and cats? I think that's something that only the TSP guys could answer......anyone?

get the price out there quick. so i see how much i need to sell my g5x3 for.

When we post a dyno graph, we're showing the potential of a car. On this car, we compared dyno numbers FROM THE SAME CAR with different camshafts. You cannot compare dyno numbers from one car to the next. I used to run 12.0's with 315 RWHP and a 3,525# raceweight, but most would not have expected the car to run that quick considering the power it was making. I swapped from a Vigilante torque converter to a Yank and picked up 9 RWHP unlocked. The different brands of torque converters alone can greatly affect dyno numbers between two cars.

As for our car vs. Lynda's car at the Spring Break Shootout (she didn't have heads/cam at the Southern Shootout), we were making 19 RWHP more than she was AT PEAK unlocked vs. unlocked (410 vs. 429). I'm not sure if you're aware, but peak numbers represent one specific point throughout the entire curve. Does the peak number tell the entire story about the setup? NO We were running a larger camshaft in our car vs. Lynda's car. It was another prototype camshaft. The cam was just too big, even with a 4400 stall speed and 4.30:1 gears, for a stock-cid engine. I was running an electric water pump, and Lynda was still running the stock one. She only ran .03 slower than I did at that race, and she's even running the LS6 intake vs. our FAST 78mm LSX that picked up 9 RWHP! That's the perfect example of having a great COMBINATION that works. Peak numbers show the potential, but the timeslip will tell the story. If you think our MS3 camshaft results are unrealistic, then only time will tell as more and more results are reported. We'll also have a car with this camshaft at the Southern Shootout, so feel free to show up and check the car out for yourself. What do we have to gain by falsifying any numbers? Do you not think that customers will dyno their setups after they install the cam? We're here to provide customers with real results. If we were just looking for a camshaft that made great peak numbers, we could have marketed the camshaft that was in my SS at the Spring Break Shootout. However, we saw the results vs. Lynda's MSv.1 camshaft on the same day at the same track. We were looking to market a camshaft that will make some great peak power but still be able to lay down some great ET's at the track with the proper setup.

Feel free to call or e-mail me at trevor@texas-speed.com if you have any other questions or concerns. I'll be glad to discuss it further with you.

As for passing emissions, this camshaft will not be emissions-friendly. If you are having to pass a sniffer test and not just a scan/diagnostic test, then I would recommend a camshaft much smaller. Our 224R on a 114 LSA would be an ideal choice. It will provide you with some nice power while still being able to pass emissions testing with all of the other smog/emissions equipment in place. Give me a call or shoot me an e-mail if you'd like some help picking the right camshaft for your setup. I don't want you to end up with a cam that will not work well for what you're trying to accomplish!

Let me know if any of you have any other questions. :)

Trevor
Texas Speed & Performance

CT just had the OBD-II test when the emissions was runing. I saw a place pass a newer mustang with no cats and basically spitting out fuel through the exhuast but the computer said all systems go. The people running the stuff dont care (not state run anymore) so he passed. Its just a stupid system. As for running cats on the car with that big of a cam I will know how it turn out when I get my car back from TTP since I am going with a cam around this size. I had a 232/232 57x 112 cam with cats before through Borla. With the plate clsed it was very tame (too tame :() but with the plate off the thing sounded like an animal.....you can always have a car that LOOKS like it has cats on it :secret:

I think he meant the Spring Break Shootout Trevor ;)
What exactly are you confused about?? Do you think i should have ran a lot slower than Trevors car? Another thing Trevor forgot to mention about our cars at this shootout is the race weights were not the same with these cars. While I was adding weight to make the weight poor Trevor was going mad trying to take anything he could off the car :D These are two different cars. I know we all post/compare dyno numbers on this site, but you can't really do that, like trevor said. I only dynoed 409 rwhp with my setup, but another car could actually dyno a lot higher than I did. If you saw my graph posted you know what the before numbers were....PATHETIC.
You going to set it up for the SS (cam only) class??

Lynda

I know that newer cars were an obd2 test only for the first seven years I think, but after that I think that they will have to go thru a sniffer too. I know the "cat look" and if there's not gonna be a sniffer on cars with obd2, then mine will undergo an operation, kind of like lyposuction. I have a bunch of chassis and drivetrain stuff to do this winter, as well as a few last boltons that I still need. Hopefully by the time I have that stuff done I'll know what the deal is with the emmissions program. I'm lookingto get to mid 11's, and then I'm calling it quits on the car, that's fast enough for a street car. After that I'll be starting the trailer queen project...... which will not have a plate on it, so to hell with emmissions.

still waiting for some M6 results over here..hurry hurry :)

--matt

Ok Trevor so the old cam in the SBSO car was too big.

A couple or three quick questions.

The motor that ran 10.2s is it stock cubes? If not is it bore or stroke that gets it to the 360 cid max?

The solid roller cam in that motor, is it bigger or smaller than the SBSO cam?

The SBSO cam we had was slightly too big in that it wouldn't let the car 60' what it needed (remember 1.55-1.6's), although it did run 123-124mph if I remember right also so the power was there down the track, just not the times we'd like. I would attribute that a little to the converter though too, 4400 didn't seem to perform to our standards that day.

The NvsS motor was stock cid, stock crank, bore and all, same exact heads as SBSO motor, just bigger valves and Comp 999 springs for the SR cam. There a few other tricks in there, but the only way you'd find out is to buy that motor and see, lol! ;) Of coarse the SR cam is also bigger, it just had a better matched setup from the beginning other than the tires/gearing. We race our cars just a few times each year, in fact the red 98 Z28 we had at NvsS hasn't even been back to the track since then. It prob won't until later on this year. :D

Is this cam recommended for a DAILY driver?

Good numbers Trevor!! I'm going to email you about my application here shortly.

See, that's what I like, questions being answered. If the cam was too big then I'd agree with the converter being part if not most of the problem. Not that the TCI is bad, but it was too tight for the cam's powerband.

Good luck.

Looks like I just found my next mod! My car is more of a once a week driver :D I am on deployment now, but will be back in September. Any pricing info yet?

Good work TSP, that name is certainly appropriate. Looking forward to making some magic of my own!

Ed

Is this cam available in something more agressive then a 113 lsa? Is there anyone who knows what one of these sound like with a cut-out?

How would this cam do on a ls6?
Im trying to make some killer power N/A and on spray. Would this be good on spray too?

I drive the car a good amount but I dont mind smell or lopeyness. I dont mind staying above 1500rpms either..
I am very tolerable in aggressive setups...

What do you guys think.

That cam is awesome I have one that is close to it at 237/242 @.50 .595/.595 on a 112 lsa that is made by Lunati. I put down 424.1 rwhp and 393.7rwtq std. It was about 102 degrees in the shop. But that's with ported and polished 853's with 2.02/1.57 valves, flowtech Lt's, asp underdrive, taylor 8.8 wires/Tr-55's, LS6 intake, lid, open cut-out's and free mods thru a stock M6 and 3.42 gears with stock tire size. Hope this helps alittle for the M6 guys.
Brandon