I have seen two MTI H/C cars barely run 11's. They are using a 100 shot to even come close to 10's. For less than 2,000 get a set of Absolute Speed heads and a TR224 cam and you will be running low 11's. Shoot that with a 100 shot and be in the low 10's for a fraction of the price. There are other option out there. Shoot I had a conservative tune for NOS on my stock motor and ran 12.02 not even on the juice with stock heads and stock cam.

 

I think it is worth it if you have the money. MTI is a great company and they back up there work well <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

 

I'm curious about this infamous MTI warranty. Do they cover consequential damages if something breaks during that year? Say if you dropped a valve due to a broken valvespring? Would they cover the entire repair, or just the parts you purchased from them?

That would be a great warranty if they covered the entire repair due to their parts failure. Doesn't do any good to R&R springs & retainers with a targa-top piston.

There's a number of places which warranty their labor and parts, but not consequential damages. I don't want to hear 'they'll work with you if it happens' - I want it on paper. To me a vendor is just generating more business for themselves and/or not holding their parts suppliers accountable when warranty issues arise.

 

One of the main reasons I`m not in the 10`s is my weight and traction. Also I tuned my car down so I could spray. I have no doubt if I dump 500 or so pounds and put my E/T`s on I would be a good solid 10 car. You can take a MTI H/C car tune the **** out of her and get great times. I drive my car everyday. So I have her safely tuned. My race weight was 3855lbs. <img border="0" alt="[driving]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_driving3.gif" />

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by 2001 Pewter WS6:
<strong> I guess people have money to burn. I actually like doing my own work. It can get frustrating at times. Just take your time. They is a real feeling of accomplishment when you turn that key and hear it fire up after a cam swap or what ever else you did. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">No doubt. It's even nicer when run run better ET's at the track.

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by JimMueller:
<strong> I'm curious about this infamous MTI warranty. Do they cover consequential damages if something breaks during that year? Say if you dropped a valve due to a broken valvespring? Would they cover the entire repair, or just the parts you purchased from them?

That would be a great warranty if they covered the entire repair due to their parts failure. Doesn't do any good to R&R springs & retainers with a targa-top piston.

There's a number of places which warranty their labor and parts, but not consequential damages. I don't want to hear 'they'll work with you if it happens' - I want it on paper. To me a vendor is just generating more business for themselves and/or not holding their parts suppliers accountable when warranty issues arise. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Not to knock MTI in any way, but yes the price *IS* steep. I too would like to know if the warranty includes *any* damage caused by a failed component. I'd also like to know what the limits are on the warranty. For example, if MTI installs a heads/cam package, is it really fair to warranty against damages caused by the end user adding a 300+300HP dual stage nitrous system? That being said, there's limits to any warranty and it DEFINITELY would need to be in writing up front to protect both parties.

FWIW -- I perform quite a few heads/cam/etc. installs for folks in my off time, and the prices often always cost about half MTI's price. However, I can't afford to offer an unconditional warranty on my work at that price. I absolutely 100% back my work, and to date have no dissatisfied 'customers'. If I tacked on the extra G notes I could EASILY afford the liability if even an entire motor were to fail. 12 month warranty? No problem <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> It's a choice you have to make, all have their benefits and all have their shortcomings.

<img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Not to knock MTI in any way, but yes the price *IS* steep. I too would like to know if the warranty includes *any* damage caused by a failed component. I'd also like to know what the limits are on the warranty. For example, if MTI installs a heads/cam package, is it really fair to warranty against damages caused by the end user adding a 300+300HP dual stage nitrous system? That being said, there's limits to any warranty and it DEFINITELY would need to be in writing up front to protect both parties.
[/QB]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I didn't intend to dig against MTI at all, I apologize if I came across that way. I don't expect a warranty if I add N2O or forced induction...but I don't want the dealership mentality that I voided my engine warranty because I changed my plugs either.

I too would like to know the specific phrasing of their warranty terms for various packages.

 

the b1 is an excellent cam, personaly i am a normal split cam fan. If you want a daily driver i would stick with a cam that has a good duration average lift and a 114 lobe sep. which the b1 has. The b1 is a non split cam. From what i have seen, is that you get a better gain from the cam than the heads, and for 7 grand you can just buy a procharger and save 2 grand and pull some mid 11's. Plus it is fairly simple to put on. Mind you the FI cars pull more RWHP with totaly stock motor, most see around 450 rwhp with the same in torque, but that is a whole new area. Some of the vortec FI cars have seen up too 70,000 miles on the stock motor, just don't get the boost bug and start buying smaler pullies with a stock motor.

 

I'd like to help out here and respond to some of the above posts. First, here is how our package is broken down:

'98 - '00 F-Body
Stage II Cylinder Heads $2795. exch.
Camshaft Selection $399.
Gaskets/Bolts/Push Rods/ $350.
Plugs/Wires/Fluids
FLP Headers $1295.
Corsa Exhaust $650.
Power Induction w/Filter $179.
Underdrive Pulley Kit $279.
Dyno Tuning Session $500.
LS6 Intake Manifold Kit $475.

That's $6922. in parts/tuning alone.
Installation is the remaining $1073.

The '01 - '02 cars are less due to the vehicle already being equipped with the LS6 manifold.

We are willing to customize the package however the individual would like. Custom Cam, Hooker headers, no pulley, etc... The package online is purely an example of what we can offer in kit form and customizing is not a problem.

We do offer a 1 year warranty with our package that covers anything we replaced on the vehicle. Vehicles with any type of forced induction are not covered. As far as consequential damages go, if a valve were to drop and take out a piston, the piston/engine would be replaced at our expense. On the other hand, if the rear gear were to break due to the extra power/torque generated by our package, that would not be covered! This is one major advantage of dealing with a company who has been in business for 10 years now. We stand behind our products and take very good care of our large customer base.

Jayson - MTI <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

 

Well put Jayson!

It is so incredible to see our sponsors come on here and flat out tell it like it is. MTI's parts are slightly more expensive than some of the competitors, but they are also of the highest quality. Also, a h/c install is at least 4 hours. I bet the additional labor (headers/exhaust, etc.) is at least another 2-3 hours. That's about $150/hr for labor. Go to any high performance speed shop and you'll be paying $150/hr for labor. Now, to add to the flavor, you get a 12 month CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGE warranty.

In my opinion, that cannot be beat.

 

MTI all the way. I have never regreted spending the money with them. The way my car performs speaks for itself. Jayson and crew have treated me with the up-most respect. I`m very new with all of this. Jayson has took the time tuning my car and explaining as much as possible. I really bug him alot. He has never treated me in any way bad. I have E-mailed him on everything-always repled that day! I never mind paying more for great customer service! You will not find better people! Thanks MTI!

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by MTI:
<strong> We do offer a 1 year warranty with our package that covers anything we replaced on the vehicle. Vehicles with any type of forced induction are not covered. As far as consequential damages go, if a valve were to drop and take out a piston, the piston/engine would be replaced at our expense. On the other hand, if the rear gear were to break due to the extra power/torque generated by our package, that would not be covered! This is one major advantage of dealing with a company who has been in business for 10 years now. We stand behind our products and take very good care of our large customer base.

Jayson - MTI <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Daaaaammmn! Jayson, you're really making me re-think this G5X2 route. This is the first I've heard of any vendor covering consequential NA engine damage on a block they didn't prep.

<img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

 

wow <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" />
well I guess that answered everyones questions <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" />

 

I have been MUCHO happy with my MTI heads/cam setup.

They have done me right!

The warranty kicks freaking ***. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" />

 

JAYSON,

There it is folks, in black and white set forth clearly and unequivocally by the owner of MTI himself, JAYSON! <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

Need we say more here. Like i said, you get what you pay for and NO TUNER IS GOING TO STAND BEHIND THEIR PRODUCT AND WORK LIKE MTI! <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

Sure, get it done for a few grand less, but when your engine grenades see where that two grand takes you then! <img border="0" alt="[bang head]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_banghead.gif" />

MTI 427 C5 Roadster <img border="0" alt="[USA]" title="" src="graemlins/patriot.gif" />

<small>[ March 31, 2003, 10:26 PM: Message edited by: MTI 427 C5 Roadster ]</small>

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by MTI:
<strong> I'd like to help out here and respond to some of the above posts. First, here is how our package is broken down:

'98 - '00 F-Body
Stage II Cylinder Heads $2795. exch.
Camshaft Selection $399.
Gaskets/Bolts/Push Rods/ $350.
Plugs/Wires/Fluids
FLP Headers $1295.
Corsa Exhaust $650.
Power Induction w/Filter $179.
Underdrive Pulley Kit $279.
Dyno Tuning Session $500.
LS6 Intake Manifold Kit $475.

That's $6922. in parts/tuning alone.
Installation is the remaining $1073.

The '01 - '02 cars are less due to the vehicle already being equipped with the LS6 manifold.

We are willing to customize the package however the individual would like. Custom Cam, Hooker headers, no pulley, etc... The package online is purely an example of what we can offer in kit form and customizing is not a problem.

We do offer a 1 year warranty with our package that covers anything we replaced on the vehicle. Vehicles with any type of forced induction are not covered. As far as consequential damages go, if a valve were to drop and take out a piston, the piston/engine would be replaced at our expense. On the other hand, if the rear gear were to break due to the extra power/torque generated by our package, that would not be covered! This is one major advantage of dealing with a company who has been in business for 10 years now. We stand behind our products and take very good care of our large customer base.

Jayson - MTI <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Regarding the warranty. Let's say someone has a cam package bought and installed at your shop. Someone in the shop makes a mistake by using the wrong valve springs or even worse forgets to swap the springs before firing it up. One way or another the valves float to the extent that a piston smacks a valve. The damage is only to the extent that the motor should hold up just fine at the current power level with no indications of problems even though the pistons have nicks in them from the incident. We both know that motor could not handle a moderate amount of nitrous anywhere near as well as it could have if that incidient never happened. Would you inspect the damagae and just make sure the car runs okay and deliver the car to the customer like that, or make the shortblock like it was when it enetered the shop? Seems like the damaged pistons should be replaced, right?

 

"I have seen two MTI H/C cars barely run 11's. They are using a 100 shot to even come close to 10's."

And we're supposed to think this means MTI doesn't make power? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> C'mon, that was a TERRIBLE example. Hey, I have personnaly gone SLOWER on a 100 shot before. Why? A slipping clutch. The ET was about 2 tenths slower but the MPH was 7-8 MPH higher on the nitrous. I've also seen LS1s run high 15s before due to sucky drivers but that doesn't mean these are 15 second cars.

I know of at least one MTI car that ran 9s WITHOUT nitrous or any other power adder. Heck, it even did it with a hydraulic cam! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> Does that mean installing an MTI 422 will get your car in the 9s? No, not without ALOT of hard work in addition to it. In fact, you may not even run 10s.

One more example and I'll let you off the hook. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> There are internally stock F-bodys that have run 11.2s. Toss an MTI cam in there and you've got 10s. Would it be misleading to generalize that MTI's cam only cars run 10s? Yes, in the same way that it would to insinuate that MTI H/C cars run 11s with nitrous. So let's not make misleading generalizations or insinuations at other's expense. <img border="0" alt="[burn out]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_burnout.gif" />

<small>[ April 01, 2003, 09:44 AM: Message edited by: Colonel ]</small>

 

COLONEL

VERY WELL PUT! <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

MTI 427 C5 ROADSTER <img border="0" alt="[USA]" title="" src="graemlins/patriot.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[driving]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_driving3.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[USA]" title="" src="graemlins/patriot.gif" />

 

I may be a bit of an extreme example...

But I probably would have saved a few thousand dollars (several, actually), if I had taken this route in the first place.

In an attempt to repair an engine that had been beat up by a junk set of heads from another popular vendor, I handed the car over to MTI. My experience there was so good that they are now as we speak building me an all bore 388.

For the money I spent on various items learning that I was a subject of an expirement, I could have had a 422 installed in the car, and have been driving it for the last two years.

So is MTI the rock bottom cheapest to buy? No. They shouldnt be. But I submit they are one of the ceapest out there to *own*.

chris

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by 4mulaJoe:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by MTI:
<strong> I'd like to help out here and respond to some of the above posts. First, here is how our package is broken down:

'98 - '00 F-Body
Stage II Cylinder Heads $2795. exch.
Camshaft Selection $399.
Gaskets/Bolts/Push Rods/ $350.
Plugs/Wires/Fluids
FLP Headers $1295.
Corsa Exhaust $650.
Power Induction w/Filter $179.
Underdrive Pulley Kit $279.
Dyno Tuning Session $500.
LS6 Intake Manifold Kit $475.

That's $6922. in parts/tuning alone.
Installation is the remaining $1073.

The '01 - '02 cars are less due to the vehicle already being equipped with the LS6 manifold.

We are willing to customize the package however the individual would like. Custom Cam, Hooker headers, no pulley, etc... The package online is purely an example of what we can offer in kit form and customizing is not a problem.

We do offer a 1 year warranty with our package that covers anything we replaced on the vehicle. Vehicles with any type of forced induction are not covered. As far as consequential damages go, if a valve were to drop and take out a piston, the piston/engine would be replaced at our expense. On the other hand, if the rear gear were to break due to the extra power/torque generated by our package, that would not be covered! This is one major advantage of dealing with a company who has been in business for 10 years now. We stand behind our products and take very good care of our large customer base.

Jayson - MTI <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Regarding the warranty. Let's say someone has a cam package bought and installed at your shop. Someone in the shop makes a mistake by using the wrong valve springs or even worse forgets to swap the springs before firing it up. One way or another the valves float to the extent that a piston smacks a valve. The damage is only to the extent that the motor should hold up just fine at the current power level with no indications of problems even though the pistons have nicks in them from the incident. We both know that motor could not handle a moderate amount of nitrous anywhere near as well as it could have if that incidient never happened. Would you inspect the damagae and just make sure the car runs okay and deliver the car to the customer like that, or make the shortblock like it was when it enetered the shop? Seems like the damaged pistons should be replaced, right? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">great question, for the price you are paying, they had better change out the whole shortblock, all impacted drivetrain components AND put in some forged internals. (at least that would explain some of their great customer service i keep hearing about). i experienced a similar problem when doing my own h/c job this winter. with weak springs, ended up bending the valves. i replaced the springs/valves and of course couldnt resist putting the spray back on. nuked the motor the first time out. ugh, live and learn... ..if you encounter bent valves, replace EVERYTHING. <img border="0" alt="[bang head]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_banghead.gif" /> my .02