I lifted a head on the dyno......
I'm with Harlan.....timing...or a/f. Too many people are making that power or more with forced induction and not lifting heads anymore since we got enuff fuel and better tunes now. I use cometics.....with this rebuild (hydrolocked) it will be my 4th-5th time using those same headgaskets. I am gonna bet the farm on some detonation somewhere.
Sever detonation is likely the culprit. You don't need copper gaskets at that power level. The quench height change is negligible. You don't need to o-ring the block, and you don't have too much compression. I would do 2 things, one of which is mandatory:
1. Change to a different head gasket- you need to replace them anyway since one of them will be ruined.
2. Go through your entire fuel system. Check fuel pressure at WOT at torque peak.
Something seems amiss. Were you logging on the dyno runs?
1. Change to a different head gasket- you need to replace them anyway since one of them will be ruined.
2. Go through your entire fuel system. Check fuel pressure at WOT at torque peak.
Something seems amiss. Were you logging on the dyno runs?
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Just a thought....If you didnt go over the ARP heads studs final torque value for at least 1/2 hour then the studs werent torqued properly. I waited 15 minutes and they had backed off 1/2 turn..or needed another 1/2 turn...went over them another 2 or three times after they sat until they didnt turn anymore.
If you only did it once then that is your issue probably.
If you only did it once then that is your issue probably.
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Originally Posted by y2khawk
detonation from too much advance, too little fuel, or a combo of both.
What fuel were you using? Dry or wet shot? How much advance?
Details man!!
What fuel were you using? Dry or wet shot? How much advance?
Details man!!
Ditto, what fuel octane, timing and AFR were you at?
I plan on running 104 URL whenever I spray, its just cheap insurance, and timing with a 200 shot will be around 18ish for my motor(10.7:1) and the AFR will be low low 11s, to start out with, I think I will be safe.
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I have 11.8 to 1 compression, stock head bolts, MLS gaskets, and spray 3000-6800 RPM's with 31.9 degrees of timing on 93 octane gas and haven't had any problems. That's not to say I won't, but I don't have any detonation or anything. I have to agree with the head gasket theory 
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Originally Posted by 99HUGGSS
I have 11.8 to 1 compression, stock head bolts, MLS gaskets, and spray 3000-6800 RPM's with 31.9 degrees of timing on 93 octane gas and haven't had any problems. That's not to say I won't, but I don't have any detonation or anything. I have to agree with the head gasket theory
How much do you spray? Whats your total HP?
Sure you can spray a 100 shot with your combo...but I do not believe you could spray a 200 shot that way.
On my 383 I would get detonation around 600 rwhp on 93 octane and 27 degrees of timing.
Also...to the original poster...what rpm did the juice come on...what was your TQ? Many times for nitrous cars...its not the peak HP where the problem occurs...its at peak Tq...which is usually as soon as its activated. That where cylinder pressure is greatest.
93 octane and nitrous is a set up for problems. You NEVER know what your getting out of the gas station fuel pumps! When using nitrous I ALWAYS buy drums of fuel. I bought 200 gallons of 104 for $2.30 a gallon. I was before the prices for fuel went up. Good fuel is the cheapest insurance you will ever buy. Good luck, let us know what you find.
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Originally Posted by 383LQ4SS
How much do you spray? Whats your total HP?
Sure you can spray a 100 shot with your combo...but I do not believe you could spray a 200 shot that way.
On my 383 I would get detonation around 600 rwhp on 93 octane and 27 degrees of timing.
Also...to the original poster...what rpm did the juice come on...what was your TQ? Many times for nitrous cars...its not the peak HP where the problem occurs...its at peak Tq...which is usually as soon as its activated. That where cylinder pressure is greatest.
Sure you can spray a 100 shot with your combo...but I do not believe you could spray a 200 shot that way.
On my 383 I would get detonation around 600 rwhp on 93 octane and 27 degrees of timing.
Also...to the original poster...what rpm did the juice come on...what was your TQ? Many times for nitrous cars...its not the peak HP where the problem occurs...its at peak Tq...which is usually as soon as its activated. That where cylinder pressure is greatest.
We always set our A/F ratio on the wide band at around 10:1, never leaner then 11:1, 116 octane, o-ringed heads, stock GM graphite gaskets, ARP studs torqued once 
, not much timing 
, NGK V-power #8 plugs, etc.
, not much timing , NGK V-power #8 plugs, etc. 
