PP heads droped valve pictures inside
09-21-2004, 09:58 PM
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no that setup that droped a valve was a hyd roller with a TSP 231/237 cam and 11.3 compression
i had to build a complete new motor so i went solid roller and more compression
i had to build a complete new motor so i went solid roller and more compression
09-21-2004, 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by 2000TAguy
no that setup that droped a valve was a hyd roller with a TSP 231/237 cam and 11.3 compression
i had to build a complete new motor so i went solid roller and more compression
i had to build a complete new motor so i went solid roller and more compression
Ok, just was asking to gather some info to help myself to decide to spend the money to pull the heads to check them out before it happens to me.
What heads where you running LS1's LS6 or 5.3's? I assume the 5.3's if you had 11.3 Compression?
09-21-2004, 10:24 PM
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smart move
i would pull them and at least put some good valves in them
i was running the ls6 small chamber no milling and i had .040 cometics head gaskets with ARP bolts and i might be wrong i think the compression was 11.8 i would have to go back and look in the book i keep on all the cars and see how it all measured out for final compression
i would pull them and at least put some good valves in them
i was running the ls6 small chamber no milling and i had .040 cometics head gaskets with ARP bolts and i might be wrong i think the compression was 11.8 i would have to go back and look in the book i keep on all the cars and see how it all measured out for final compression
09-22-2004, 12:34 AM
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Originally Posted by NA$TY-TA
Damn........ makes me think................ with all these problems latley from patriot does anyone know if a valve is a valve and if i can just order another set of valves for $200 from someone like APE or Thunder and just replace them before mine crap out of my $5k shortblock........???????????????????
09-22-2004, 01:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike K.
you gotta make sure the valve seats the same so the design would have to be the same I would think. doesn't pp use manley or ferrera valves though? Maybe that valve was a stocker cause those get pressed together I think.
"We source from wherever quality is found at a fair price.
Raw castings are OEM (Mexico)
23-8N Stainless Steel Valves are Turkish (manufacter of Porsche's valves)Ti Retainers are Russian (same as Doug Herbert Performance)
Viton Rubber Seals are from Detroit
Patriot Gold Springs are from Associated Spring (made in Brazil, same as OE)
Intake Ports are 238 cfm on our new LS6 style ports"
Got this off this post that Patriot themselves replied to.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/generation-iii-internal-engine/216267-patriot-performance.html
09-22-2004, 02:32 AM
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DAMN that's disturbing!!!! If you want some badass heads, call Brian or Brent at TEA, they set me up with the stage 3 AFR's flowed 358 cfm!!! I sleep really good at night, I guess you get what you pay for!!
09-22-2004, 02:52 AM
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Chiming in here. I went through 3 sets of Patriot heads "due to quality control issues" and I also went through 1 motor. Great product...NOT.
Do not buy them unless you want to wind up like the thread starter & countless others.
Sorry to hear that though man, believe me, I feel your pain.
Do not buy them unless you want to wind up like the thread starter & countless others.
Sorry to hear that though man, believe me, I feel your pain.
hopfully it works out in the end for ya 
09-22-2004, 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by 2000TAguy
i was running a TSP custom cam valve clearance was huge i had diamond pistons in it all new stuff new gaskets and all arp head studs
all installed out of the car by myself i own the shop where it was done
it happened just as i came out of the burn out about 6500 rpm
all installed out of the car by myself i own the shop where it was done
it happened just as i came out of the burn out about 6500 rpm
Sorry to hear about your motor 2000TAguy. That indeed sucks!
09-22-2004, 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by RAN
Terry,
You supervised the build of my heads last spring. Is there anyway I can find out (short of removing the heads) what kind of valves were used??
You supervised the build of my heads last spring. Is there anyway I can find out (short of removing the heads) what kind of valves were used??
09-22-2004, 09:09 AM
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kyle, you can just buy a set of fierras the same size as your patriots. should be 2.02/1.57. then pull your heads and have a new valve job done at RPM in town. they are pretty familiar with LS1 heads and can do a very nice multi angle intake job and real nice raduis job on the exhaust. they have done two sets for me already. i did the same thing with the PP heads i bought. i replaced all the valves with fierras and had the heads deshrouded to a 4.04 bore for a bit more flow.
Who did you buy the valves from?? How much?? How much did the shop here in town charge you to do the valve job?? Do you think the seats should be replaced also??? PM me if you like or i can call you this evening after we both get off work.
Thanks for the input Steve i was wondering what you did with your heads you bought.
Thanks
Kyle
09-22-2004, 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Chris ARE 385
That is the quote you are referring to?
Sorry to hear about your motor 2000TAguy. That indeed sucks!
Sorry to hear about your motor 2000TAguy. That indeed sucks!
yeah i had the trouble with the PP heads earlyer this seasion and then built the solid roller motor
09-22-2004, 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by NA$TY-TA
Steve,
Who did you buy the valves from?? How much?? How much did the shop here in town charge you to do the valve job?? Do you think the seats should be replaced also??? PM me if you like or i can call you this evening after we both get off work.
Thanks for the input Steve i was wondering what you did with your heads you bought.
Thanks
Kyle
Who did you buy the valves from?? How much?? How much did the shop here in town charge you to do the valve job?? Do you think the seats should be replaced also??? PM me if you like or i can call you this evening after we both get off work.
Thanks for the input Steve i was wondering what you did with your heads you bought.
Thanks
Kyle
09-22-2004, 11:18 AM
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Valves Crazy People Valves, Hmmm let me think, Why is it when people get something cheap, they dont know why they get it cheap. Why do you think PP came up so big so fast ? Not hard to undercut everyone else's prices when you get parts from 3rd world countires. PP valves come from Turkey. There are really only four real manufacters of valves in the united states. although no ones valves are made in the U.S anymore, there are 2 manufactuers in argentina, 1 in canada, and 1 in Taiwan. All that have been making valves for 20 to 30+ years each. So if you want to buy valves, ask where they come from. 1 of the four atleast, turkey, india, china, are all making stuff so cheap, why because of quialty, you pay 15.00 for a valve that cost them 2.00. just cause its pretty dont mean its good..........My 2 Cents