Best TSP Cam for my application?
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From: BFE
Originally Posted by 9833211
What TSP cam will give me the most optimal results? Most cams that are aggressiver have a note saying best for m6 cars. And not recomended for a4s.
So if you are thinking about a 112, don't be afraid, just pic a no split cam, like the 224R or 225. Stall (3500>4000)
If you plan on lower gears, HI stall (4000+), beefed up tranny and rear then look at the 228R, or 233 torquer.
Think of it this way, fast lobes+less overlap=Power W/good idle
Originally Posted by PREDATOR-Z
A split or reverse split cam with a 112 or lower lsa is harder to tune for A4, unless the tuner knows his stuff of course.
So if you are thinking about a 112, don't be afraid, just pic a no split cam, like the 224R or 225. Stall (3500>4000)
If you plan on lower gears, HI stall (4000+), beefed up tranny and rear then look at the 228R, or 233 torquer.
Think of it this way, fast lobes+less overlap=Power W/good idle
So if you are thinking about a 112, don't be afraid, just pic a no split cam, like the 224R or 225. Stall (3500>4000)
If you plan on lower gears, HI stall (4000+), beefed up tranny and rear then look at the 228R, or 233 torquer.
Think of it this way, fast lobes+less overlap=Power W/good idle
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From: BFE
112lsa will bring the power earlier in the curve and has better low end trq.
114lsa will have less overlap (better idle), power peak will be 200>300 rpm later
Example:
112 cam with power range of 2000>6000 rpm, the same cam on a 114 will have the range from 2200>6200.
To calculate degree of overlap: ([DUR int+DUR exh]/2) - (2* lsa)= degree of overlap.
EXPL: Cam1 > 224/224, .581/.581 112 lsa and Cam 2 > 224/224, .581/.581 114 lsa
Cam 1 degree of overlap ([224+224]/2)-(112*2)= 224-224= 0*
Cam 2 degree of overlap ([224+224]/2)-(114*2)= 224-228= -4*
So the 114 cam has less overlap=idle better, also it will have a better chance to pass emissions, however for every 1 degree more overlap you can expect 2 rwhp so the 112 should (in theory) make ~ (4*2)= 8rwhp extra.
Hope that makes sense.
114lsa will have less overlap (better idle), power peak will be 200>300 rpm later
Example:
112 cam with power range of 2000>6000 rpm, the same cam on a 114 will have the range from 2200>6200.
To calculate degree of overlap: ([DUR int+DUR exh]/2) - (2* lsa)= degree of overlap.
EXPL: Cam1 > 224/224, .581/.581 112 lsa and Cam 2 > 224/224, .581/.581 114 lsa
Cam 1 degree of overlap ([224+224]/2)-(112*2)= 224-224= 0*
Cam 2 degree of overlap ([224+224]/2)-(114*2)= 224-228= -4*
So the 114 cam has less overlap=idle better, also it will have a better chance to pass emissions, however for every 1 degree more overlap you can expect 2 rwhp so the 112 should (in theory) make ~ (4*2)= 8rwhp extra.
Hope that makes sense.
Originally Posted by PREDATOR-Z
112lsa will bring the power earlier in the curve and has better low end trq.
114lsa will have less overlap (better idle), power peak will be 200>300 rpm later
Example:
112 cam with power range of 2000>6000 rpm, the same cam on a 114 will have the range from 2200>6200.
To calculate degree of overlap: ([DUR int+DUR exh]/2) - (2* lsa)= degree of overlap.
EXPL: Cam1 > 224/224, .581/.581 112 lsa and Cam 2 > 224/224, .581/.581 114 lsa
Cam 1 degree of overlap ([224+224]/2)-(112*2)= 224-224= 0*
Cam 2 degree of overlap ([224+224]/2)-(114*2)= 224-228= -4*
So the 114 cam has less overlap=idle better, also it will have a better chance to pass emissions, however for every 1 degree more overlap you can expect 2 rwhp so the 112 should (in theory) make ~ (4*2)= 8rwhp extra.
Hope that makes sense.
114lsa will have less overlap (better idle), power peak will be 200>300 rpm later
Example:
112 cam with power range of 2000>6000 rpm, the same cam on a 114 will have the range from 2200>6200.
To calculate degree of overlap: ([DUR int+DUR exh]/2) - (2* lsa)= degree of overlap.
EXPL: Cam1 > 224/224, .581/.581 112 lsa and Cam 2 > 224/224, .581/.581 114 lsa
Cam 1 degree of overlap ([224+224]/2)-(112*2)= 224-224= 0*
Cam 2 degree of overlap ([224+224]/2)-(114*2)= 224-228= -4*
So the 114 cam has less overlap=idle better, also it will have a better chance to pass emissions, however for every 1 degree more overlap you can expect 2 rwhp so the 112 should (in theory) make ~ (4*2)= 8rwhp extra.
Hope that makes sense.
Originally Posted by silverZ98
talk to jason at TSP they sell the cams your talking about and he is the tunner.
and does good mail order tunes
Eddie
and does good mail order tunes
Eddie
We tune pcms with ls1edit, but you will be able to open the file with hp tuner if you would like 
We stock 220/220 sleeper cams & 224/224 camshafts also
Jason
Texas Speed
www.texas-speed.com
806.866.0734
We stock 220/220 sleeper cams & 224/224 camshafts also Jason
Texas Speed
www.texas-speed.com
806.866.0734
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Originally Posted by Jason 98 TA
We tune pcms with ls1edit, but you will be able to open the file with hp tuner if you would like We stock 220/220 sleeper cams & 224/224 camshafts also
Jason
Texas Speed
www.texas-speed.com
806.866.0734
We stock 220/220 sleeper cams & 224/224 camshafts also Jason
Texas Speed
www.texas-speed.com
806.866.0734
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From: BFE
1- TSP does not carry Patriot products anymore. But they carry an alternative with pretty good results so far.
2- No, you will send him your pcm with a complete list of your mods and he will program a tune and send it back to you.
3- With FULL bolt ons, Heads and 224R or 225 cam you should be in the 400>420 rwhp range.
4- If you do not go crazy on the cam (Over 230 duration), there is a new alternative handheld programmer that I've been using (VHP/CRANE). It has 6 base tunes depending on your cam specs, 2 for supercharged and 4 N/A cams.
Read this thread it will give you a pretty good idea.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/pcm-diagnostics-tuning/178427-vinci-handheld-prgrammer.html
I have an XE-R MTI STEALTH II cam 224/220, .581/.581 116+0 and that programmer netted me 404rwhp/383trq with dyno runs + FULL bolt ons, cam only, (stock 241 casting LS1 heads). So for this level of cams it is more user friendly than predator and pretty handy.
2- No, you will send him your pcm with a complete list of your mods and he will program a tune and send it back to you.
3- With FULL bolt ons, Heads and 224R or 225 cam you should be in the 400>420 rwhp range.
4- If you do not go crazy on the cam (Over 230 duration), there is a new alternative handheld programmer that I've been using (VHP/CRANE). It has 6 base tunes depending on your cam specs, 2 for supercharged and 4 N/A cams.
Read this thread it will give you a pretty good idea.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/pcm-diagnostics-tuning/178427-vinci-handheld-prgrammer.html
I have an XE-R MTI STEALTH II cam 224/220, .581/.581 116+0 and that programmer netted me 404rwhp/383trq with dyno runs + FULL bolt ons, cam only, (stock 241 casting LS1 heads). So for this level of cams it is more user friendly than predator and pretty handy.
