best low-end cam
Thread Starter
Teching In
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 10
Likes: 0
best low-end cam Would like to get your recommendations on a cam grind that would give me the following (listed in order of importance):
- Lots of low end hp/tq
- Not much additional necessary parts to buy (springs, etc)
- Little or No tuning required
- Slightly lopey idle
Thanks!!
- Lots of low end hp/tq
- Not much additional necessary parts to buy (springs, etc)
- Little or No tuning required
- Slightly lopey idle
Thanks!!
TECH Regular
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 446
Likes: 0
From: Lexington, KY
Hotcam is the only one I can think of off hand. There's a lot of cams out there that will turn out much better numbers and won't be as lopey but most don't have the low end-torque of the hotcam.
With the hotcam all you need is the cam and ls6 springs. There is no cam that doesn't require at least springs.
As far as tuning goes, you can get away with driving it untuned in an M6. You will get twice the horsepower if you tune it however and it will have much better street manners. If you have an A4 you have to have tuning with any cam in order to keep it from dying.
With the hotcam all you need is the cam and ls6 springs. There is no cam that doesn't require at least springs.
As far as tuning goes, you can get away with driving it untuned in an M6. You will get twice the horsepower if you tune it however and it will have much better street manners. If you have an A4 you have to have tuning with any cam in order to keep it from dying.
CompCams 206/212 .515/.522 112 is a very torquey lowend cam. The difference can be felt right off-idle.
No tuning needed. Installed on a 112 centerline, the idle is not stock-smooth, just a tiny bit of chop. I don't know how it would idle installed on a 110 cl, probably smoother.
Oh, most importantly, WELCOME to the board!
No tuning needed. Installed on a 112 centerline, the idle is not stock-smooth, just a tiny bit of chop. I don't know how it would idle installed on a 110 cl, probably smoother.
Oh, most importantly, WELCOME to the board!
Last edited by nuzee; Nov 3, 2004 at 03:09 PM. Reason: added tuning/idle info
Thread Starter
Teching In
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 10
Likes: 0
Thanks for all the quick replies, I have actually been looking at both the Hotcam and the CC 206/212 .515/.522 112 as my best choices. How do the two compare in terms of performance, tuning need, etc? I was told the CC may be too mild, but i was leaning toward it for the low-end, how does it perform in the mid and high though ? Btw, the car is an M6 so thats a plus 
also, nuzee, how much did the entire job run you for your CC, install and all?
also, nuzee, how much did the entire job run you for your CC, install and all? 1/8 mph gained ~3mph but it didn't carry over in the 1/4. I netted just a 1mph gain in the 1/4. The lowend to midrange power feels strong, after that it feels similar to stock. I run a stock torque converter and shift at 6300rpm. I was looking for a cam that would improve my 60 ft without losing anything up top.
For you, with an M6, this cam would be too small. A cam that starts to pull from 1200-1500 rpm would be a wiser choice. Anyway, my 2 cents
For you, with an M6, this cam would be too small. A cam that starts to pull from 1200-1500 rpm would be a wiser choice. Anyway, my 2 cents
Trending Topics
LS1 Tech Stories
The Best V8 Stories One Small Block at Time
Retro Modern Bandit Pontiac Trans AM Comes With Burt Reynolds' Autograph
Verdad Gallardo
Top 10 Greatest Cadillac V Series Performance Models Ever, Ranked
Pouria Savadkouei
Top 10 Most Powerful Chevy Trucks Ever Made!
Hennessey's New Supercharged Silverado ZR2 Has 700 HP
Verdad Gallardo
Coachbuilt N2A Anteros Is an LS2-Powered C6 Corvette In Italian Clothes
Verdad Gallardo
Awesome K5 Blazer Restomod Comes With C7 Corvette Power
Verdad Gallardo
10 Camaros You Should Never Buy
10 LS Engine Myths That Refuse to Die
Verdad Gallardo
Five Reasons the Camaro Was the Most Pivotal Player in the Pony Car Wars 2.0
Brett Foote
Originally Posted by seaweed
also, nuzee, how much did the entire job run you for your CC, install and all?
$100 for springs
$30 for gaskets, fluids, etc.
I made my own tools to hold the lifters up from a magnetix toy set & tie-wire
Staging Lane
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 99
Likes: 0
From: Nortern Idaho
the Hotcam is weakest compared to what? I thot Nuzee gave a pretty accurate
report on the cc206. The Hotcam has more under the curve and rougher idle.
Seaweed you didn't say if you had auto/m-6. I have the Hotcam as you might've
guessed, but for the time and effort installing a cam why go so small. I even agree
that a cc220 on a 114/112 would be in the right direction without tuning, but a
spring upgrade still should be considered.
report on the cc206. The Hotcam has more under the curve and rougher idle.
Seaweed you didn't say if you had auto/m-6. I have the Hotcam as you might've
guessed, but for the time and effort installing a cam why go so small. I even agree
that a cc220 on a 114/112 would be in the right direction without tuning, but a
spring upgrade still should be considered.
Thread Starter
Teching In
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 10
Likes: 0
M6. Im trying to go small because i really dont want to do tuning until i get some more mods in.... i have a few more things planned for next year and i dont want to tune and retune, so i'll end up running it without tuning for about a year and want a good experience.
I've looked at the Vinci cams and they actually look pretty good. I like 047 and 062:
047
DUR @ .004" 272*/280*
DUR @ .050" 210*/218*
LIFT .531 / .531
OVERLAP 52*
LSA 112*
062
DUR @ .004" 272*/280*
DUR @ .050" 210*/218*
LIFT .551 / .551
OVERLAP 52*
LSA 112*
What should i expect from either of these especially when it comes to low-end? Thanks again everyone?
I've looked at the Vinci cams and they actually look pretty good. I like 047 and 062:
047
DUR @ .004" 272*/280*
DUR @ .050" 210*/218*
LIFT .531 / .531
OVERLAP 52*
LSA 112*
062
DUR @ .004" 272*/280*
DUR @ .050" 210*/218*
LIFT .551 / .551
OVERLAP 52*
LSA 112*
What should i expect from either of these especially when it comes to low-end? Thanks again everyone?
so im still leaning towards the two vinci's and maybe the cc 206....
Originally Posted by z98
220/220 is the least I'd want to go.
I think the T1 cam is the B1 on a 112? You might want to check it out.
I think the T1 cam is the B1 on a 112? You might want to check it out.
To give a driving example, I don't like to be in 6th any lower than 70 mph. It has enough to pull from 60 mph, but it's pretty slow and I feather the pedal to stop ping (I guess there's a cylinder pressure spike in that range). From 70 on up it pulls pretty hard compared to stock.
Thread Starter
Teching In
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 10
Likes: 0
I think i've made my decision.... I think ill go for the CC 206/212... i know i know most consider it a weak cam, but for my driving, mostly street driving at 1k-3k rpm, i think this cam will do great.... Now another question for you guys, how will this cam do with a supercharger? I heard that some people experience some pinging aroound 2-3k rpm with this cam because of higher cylinder pressures? is this true? if so perhaps its not a good idea to run it with a supercharger? the supercharger will be a roots based, so boost throughout the rpm range Also, should i make any considerations when selecting springs in light of the supercharger?
my goal (once i hit the lotto i think): roots supercharger + torquy cam + 4.10 rear, omg that thing is going to lift off the ground with the right tires ;-)
Also, should i make any considerations when selecting springs in light of the supercharger? my goal (once i hit the lotto i think): roots supercharger + torquy cam + 4.10 rear, omg that thing is going to lift off the ground with the right tires ;-)
Last edited by seaweed; Nov 3, 2004 at 10:43 PM.
Launching!
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 245
Likes: 0
I;ve got the Vinici 062 cam.. It great 2000-6000 rpm's.. You can realy feel a differance from 2000-5000 rpm's... the 047 is the same cam spec's, but only less lift... I have a little lope at idle, but i installed the vinici 1.70 rockers... I would do the 062 cam, without the rockers..
TECH Veteran
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 4,954
Likes: 1
From: Kent WA
If you want a supercharger, you don't want a 'lopey' cam with a 112 lsa... you want a 114 lsa or higher on boost.
If you're going with 4.10 gears too, I honestly don't think low end torque/hp is what you will want, IMO. 4.10s make you go through the powerband REAL quick, so it's best to get a cam that will extend the powerband instead of shorten it.
If you're going with 4.10 gears too, I honestly don't think low end torque/hp is what you will want, IMO. 4.10s make you go through the powerband REAL quick, so it's best to get a cam that will extend the powerband instead of shorten it.