That is total ****** bullshit.. Am I seriously reading this ****?? I got these damn heads AFTER you guys put up all those damn pictures of the new cnc machine cutting the heads and AFTER I talked with you personally on the phone and you told me you guys were doing them in-house with a new valve job the way you wanted it to be. All this "outsourcing" and behind the back bullshit is starting to get old on this site. Everyone is doing alot of shady bullshit around here and it really sucks for the lil guys out here tryin to go fast. And why in the hell would you sell some heads with your name on them and not even flow test them first to make sure they are good heads??

 

Matt...

I know your fired up but I dont wan't a "drama war" on THIS thread.
Take it to PM's with Jason or leave it all publically in the other PRC thread. I want to keep this thread clear from BS and as informational as possible.

Thanks alot...
Tony

I think I need a vacation....

 

Come to Hawaii, ill put you up for some Heads, even let you drive an SS around!

 

I'm Back...(No throwing tomatos please!)

Had the oppotunity to evaluate another cylinder head of late ("W")....finally getting around to posting some info. This was a ported 243 casting (LS6) and the numbers were very good overall. Not as large as some of others tested here, yet still put up fairly solid numbers across the board. Don't know what "STG" it was but there was certainly alot of finish work evident and I can tell you it wasn't one of the most affordable options on the market (no surprise). Overall, one of the better performers that I have seen.

Thanks guys....
Tony

 

Honestly what good does that post do anyone? You didnt give us any hard data, or for that matter anything that would be construed as more than speculatory info.

Brandon

 

The hard data is on page 1 in post #1. I've pasted it below. Tony is referring to head "W". Looks pretty good.

INTAKE FLOW

Head…………Int. Valvelift…………………..........Runner
…..….200….300….400….500….550….600…….Volume…………Comm ents……….

“A”….136….199….257….294….305….313………232 cc’s
“B”….134….195….239….267….280….289………229 cc’s
“C”….131….189….240….275….287….282………221 cc’s…(LS1 castings)
“D”….141….206….259….291….303….313………231 cc’s
“E”….145….203….253….295….309….321………246 cc’s….Stg 3
“F”….141….206….263….300….315….332………245 cc’c….Stg 3 (Best peak)
“G”….135….201….260….304….316….”T”………239 cc’s……Stg 3
“H”….140….211….260….285….286….287………243 cc’s……Weak for size
“I”…..137….207….252….290….306….318………242 cc’s……Stg 3
“J”.….126….186….231….263….277….290………228 cc’s
“K”….121….190….246….278….293….306………230 cc’s
“L”….146….208….264….301….314….323………237 cc’s.Stg.3 (good overall)
“M”…137….207….252….290….306….318………242 cc’s……Stg 3
“N”….136….190….249….288….301….312………241 cc’s……Stg. 3
"O"...147....213...264...300....308...304..... .249 cc's.....Stg. 3
"P"....144...205...259....299....316...330......24 9 cc's....Stg. 3
"Q"....129...200...258...295....305...308..... .232 cc's
"R"....135...200...251....293....311...317......25 4 cc's....Stg3 (BIG!)
"S"....148...200...247....289....301...304......23 1 cc's...LS6 head w/ 2.02
"T"....132...195...240....283....296... "T"......227 cc's...LS1 head w/ 2.02
"U"....136...194...248....267....275...281......23 4 cc's....5.3 head/weak #'s
"V"....128...186...238....274....287...293......23 1 cc's
"W"...141...206...256....299....315...324..... .236 cc's ...LS6 Casting/Good #'s

AVG..137….200….252…..288….300….307....…237 cc’s

AirFlow Research #’s
205….145….210….257….290….301….308………205 cc’s...(205 w/ 4.125 #’s)
225….151….221….270….306….315….322………229 cc’s


EXHAUST FLOW w/ 1.875 pipe (curved to simulate header)

Head………….Exhaust Valvelift…………………..Runner
……...200….300….400….500….600............Volume

“A”….113….150….180….208….230…………….84 cc’s
“B”….107….147….196….218….228…………….85 cc’s
“C”….107….153….184….205….217…………….82 cc’s
“D”….112….165….195….215….228…………….86 cc’s
“E”….111….156….202….235….246………...…88 cc’s
“F”….126….170….204….226….236…………….85 cc’s
“G”…117….164….201….229….242………………87 cc’s
“H”…113….156….189….221….231………………85 cc’s
“I”….114….145….179….211….237………………87 cc’s
“J”…..97….133….166….193….213………………89 cc’s……Very weak for size
“K”….117…157….194….218….228………………83 cc’s
“L”….114….155….214….238….252……………..90 cc’s……Big, but good #’s
“M”…120….177….219….240….251……………..87 cc’s….....good #’s
“N”….105….144….177….208….222……………..89 cc’s……Very weak for size
"O"....115...166...202...228...241............ .88 cc's
"P"....116...163....211...236...241........... .84 cc's
"Q"....109...156....208...224...227........... .89 cc's.....Weak for it's size
"R"....113....156...195...227...241........... .91 cc's......(BIG!)
"S"....108....146...188...226...235........... .84 cc's....Soft low/midlift #'s
"T"....120....171...200...217...224........... .84 cc's...1.570 vlv, good low#'s
"U"....111....147...189...209...224........... .84 cc's
"V"....111....144...168...186...194........... .86 cc's....VERY weak Exh #'s
"W"...126....177...215...230...241............ 82 cc's.....Good #'s

AVG...113….157….195….220….231…………….86 cc’s

AirFlow Research #’s
205….118….171….206….226….240……………..84 cc’s
225….120….180….220….241….250……………..85 cc’s

 

Some will call it "speculatory", others will view it as informative....it's all based on your point of reference. I knew that going in and spelled it out as such in the very first post I made on this thread. Take the information for what it's worth, some might call it BS, while others (who believed I had enough integrity to post all the data accurately) would see trends and might pick up some good information from all the data I have compiled. The beauty about this data is that it represents a huge cross section of cylinder heads that have been on the same bench with all the same fixtures eliminating MANY of the variables comparing flow numbers always leaves as dubious.

Just my .02

And by the way, the ONLY hard data that you dont have is the names in question....This post is chock full of hard data.

 

Alot of us appreciate this info Tony

 

I think you misread that post. He did flow test them and the work is in house.

I think Jay's point was that he wanted Tony to test them as an independent and compare his heads to the others using the same controled variables and not as a test of his competence or value of his finished, tested work. It was for us to see and not to get numbers he didn't already know. I see he was openly saying to the forum, "I'm not afraid to get my work in on this test against your product" and I commend him for that. If he was being 'shady' he may have opted for the telephone.

 

Am I the only one that would like to see this become a "sticky"?

 

I am totally confused here.. What exactly are you talking about? That post is like a month or so old.. Explain what you are tryin to say here..

 

i'll link it to the FAQ

 

First off great info! Second with all the brains in here figure this one out! I have a LME 408 ci, compression 13.5 to 1 , 90/90 intake. Solid roller ( FMS) 275-286 .735-.715 @ 112. The LS6 heads flow 323 cfm up to .750. The freaking motor peaks hp at 6200 PRM!!!!!! WTF I have dumped the exhaust. Lash is perfect. No misfires, and it doesn't want to lean out on top, we pull tons of fuel and it doesn't respond. Also from 6200 to 6700 it drops off 50 HP! It peaks torque at 5500 rpm. Any advice??? Thanks, Andy.

 

I've been trying to keep this thread on topic...(relating to head flow, runner volume, etc.).

As an FYI it sounds like a valvetrain control issue but that is hard to swallow with a solid roller. An engine that TQ peaks as late as yours (as it should) ought to make peak HP in the 6700-6900 area. Although if it did you wouldnt have posted a problem....LOL

Try to start a seperate thread strictly related to your power issues and include more information including a dyno graph if possible. Plenty of people on the board will probably throw in their .02....perhaps one of them will hit on something you haven't.

Good luck,
Tony M.

 

Pictures work better than columns of numbers for me, so I knocked out some graphs for the intake numbers. I plotted three at a time of the "other" heads against the two AFR heads and the average. The traces on the graphs are labeled with the letter Tony chose. The two that went "T" at .600 I stuck two points in low so that things would plot. The jpgs are named for the traces they contain. ie, adr.jpg is heads A, D, and R vs avg, 205, and 225. The jpegs live here.

 

Back again (I know you guys missed this thread )

Just flowed a ported 6.0 litre (Head "X")....The intake numbers in the matrix were extremely stout (360 CFM!) and I was looking foward to the opportunity to test them (turns out he was local).

The blue pill tasted especially bitter in this case, but the customer now knows he's needing something different in the "real world" to put up anywhere close to the power he aspires to make. Actually he was quite the sport about it and was more pleased to find out now then later (after spending countless hours trying to find a bunch of missing horsepower based on "optimistic" cylinder head flow). If your reading this it was good spending some time with you today....let me know about the 225's

 

Any new additions??

 

Ive got a very good one to share with you guys and a not so good one....I will try to update the table with both of these heads shortly (next couple of days at the latest)...

Regards,
Tony

 

Good info Tony. Im so glad i have the best heads in the world! They really kick *** on the street!

 

I like this thread....I like it alot(in my best Forrest Gump voice )