dissapointing head flow numbers
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Originally Posted by SStrokerAce
Oh yeah I forgot... NASCAR BOYS KNOW EVERYTHING!!!
Oh yeah BTW... the trend I have seen in Cup SB2.2 heads is a larger cross sectional area with a higher flowing port and they are also developing more HP and a better TQ curve.... hmmmm wonder what's up with that?
SB2.2 2.200 valve 4.200 bore. 38cc chamber around 3.5 sq/in MCA
.2 152
.3 226
.4 305
.5 375
.6 418
.7 429
.8 446
.9 453
1. 456
The smaller cup bore and 2.180 valve knock a few CFM off of those numbers for what is actually on the cars....
I'm not here to even care about the thread anymore or discuss this, it's just another point on the thread from someone who is very vocal, intelligent and knows his stuff.
Anyways on to our regular programing... I'm going back into hibernation ZZzzzZZZZzzzzZZZZzzzzZZZZzzzz
Oh yeah BTW... the trend I have seen in Cup SB2.2 heads is a larger cross sectional area with a higher flowing port and they are also developing more HP and a better TQ curve.... hmmmm wonder what's up with that?
SB2.2 2.200 valve 4.200 bore. 38cc chamber around 3.5 sq/in MCA
.2 152
.3 226
.4 305
.5 375
.6 418
.7 429
.8 446
.9 453
1. 456
The smaller cup bore and 2.180 valve knock a few CFM off of those numbers for what is actually on the cars....
I'm not here to even care about the thread anymore or discuss this, it's just another point on the thread from someone who is very vocal, intelligent and knows his stuff.
Anyways on to our regular programing... I'm going back into hibernation ZZzzzZZZZzzzzZZZZzzzzZZZZzzzz
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From: Working in the shop 24/7
Originally Posted by Tucunare
New ideas, remember that.....it's the future.
Originally Posted by Tucunare
and by the way, one of the weakest forms of defense is name calling, sorry to see you had to go there.
Originally Posted by Tucunare
If you can't see that I guess there's no help for you.
Originally Posted by Tucunare
Why don't you soak in a little of what I'm posting instead of spouting off.
Originally Posted by Tucunare
Let's have some examples of yours that fits this thread other than just saying, "Matching parts are better" That's really lame
Originally Posted by Tucunare
Let's make this real, real, simple for you to understand.
Originally Posted by Tucunare
Apparanty you didn't read the post about the cam curves with differant heads , Your dead wrong....Mr. Roush would agree with me, we saw it over and over. and please to group our cam selections with mail order engines. your only insulting yourself by by taking it to that leval.
Originally Posted by Tucunare
How many cam and head tests have you actually performed on the dyno. ????
Yup.... Bret has the "attitude" and you are the "holy one"...
... and why haven't you answered the simple questions J-rod has posted????
Ed
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From: Raymore, MO
Originally Posted by 66deuce
Derek,i think you will put down some very good numbers,probably better than you think.what cam are you running?
Originally Posted by Derek98z
Trying to get a custom cam made. But I am having trouble getting my selected shop to get back in touch with me.
hint hint Berretta and Mr. Curtis.
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From: Working in the shop 24/7
Originally Posted by MUSTANGEATER
Bret or Ed will set ya straight hell they are taking so much to post in your post maybe one of them will read this part bro
hint hint Berretta and Mr. Curtis.
hint hint Berretta and Mr. Curtis.
I'm not on the "list" ---->
Ed
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Originally Posted by EDC
Then take some of your own advice and open your eyes to ideas that really do WORK even though they didn't come out of Jack's shop!
I believe the condescending, arrogance and insulting started from your side.....
This from only a five minute search of this thread....
Yup.... Bret has the "attitude" and you are the "holy one"...
... and why haven't you answered the simple questions J-rod has posted????
Ed
I believe the condescending, arrogance and insulting started from your side.....
This from only a five minute search of this thread....
Yup.... Bret has the "attitude" and you are the "holy one"...
... and why haven't you answered the simple questions J-rod has posted????
Ed
I understand were Tucunare is coming from just like I do about Tony Mamo. When ya do this stuff day in and day out you get to see whats BS and whats smoke and mirrors- then every once and a while you get to see something that rocks. If I had a flow bench and a dyno to my disposal I would probably be doing the same thing as Tucunare and some of the other noteable guys on this forum- teching on whats learned after hard work and r&d. Im just a simple guy and dont have the budget to go as far as some(that is why my intake ports are only 218cc at the biggest) but do like to see guys with that background giving advice without trying to sell something.
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From: Working in the shop 24/7
Originally Posted by Tucunare
For one, the dyno doesn't know who's shop it's in, the dyno doesn't manipulate h.p. numbers for Jack or anybody else, when monitored in a repeatable setting you can decifer what works and what doesn't based on stringent and calclated testing.
Please tell me where anyone has said anything against this line of thinking?
As usual... you are just rehashing the same things that were said by others in this thread... BFD...
Can you return to the "heads mean nothing" philosophy you a so fond of... At least that was within the topic...
Originally Posted by Tucunare
back in your early replies you mentioned how people from pro stock and nascar teams understand heads.....you didn't know where I had worked at that time. now that I "exposed" myself and my backround you call me a "nascar boy" like it's supposed to be some kind of an insult and that I don't see things in a real world. " so what is it ???? I could hardly believe that anybody in the " real world" or on this forum would think that having an insiders perspective from one of the most successful nascar and trans am teams in history and getting this information handed to them for free would be something other than positive. I guess I was wrong.
There are plenty of people who have "inside" contacts and information. You try to make it appear as if you are the "only one" who knows anything about anything in the racing world...
Guess what???? "You are not the only one"..
so yes, I guess you are correct in your last comment.... you "are" wrong!
Originally Posted by Tucunare
As for J.Rods questions, I did try and answer some of them for him, just not on the open forum.
Originally Posted by Tucunare
And by the way, you'd be amazed how many private e-mails I've received supporting me and encouraging me to continue posting on this forum.
I just wish I had all this "extra" time like you do to get to all that... You must be one bored person over at Livernois...
Originally Posted by Tucunare
you don't have all the supporters you think you have, trust me, you can take that to the bank
Ed
Is there a ******* echo in here or what? Repetition is the key to success but it really doesn't win many arguements or make much sense after the 6th or 7th time, I think most people get tired of hearing the same thing over and over again. For the arguements purpose it doesn't matter a bit who ported the heads if the combination is matched properly.
Hell I know who is going my next set of Cylinder Heads.
Hell I know who is going my next set of Cylinder Heads.
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Originally Posted by EDC
Gee... so prophetic! To quote from a famous line.. "No **** Batman"...
Please tell me where anyone has said anything against this line of thinking?
As usual... you are just rehashing the same things that were said by others in this thread... BFD...
Can you return to the "heads mean nothing" philosophy you a so fond of... At least that was within the topic...
Not to speak for Bret....
There are plenty of people who have "inside" contacts and information. You try to make it appear as if you are the "only one" who knows anything about anything in the racing world...
Guess what???? "You are not the only one"..
so yes, I guess you are correct in your last comment.... you "are" wrong!
...and??? They were asked in public so share them with the public...
No I wouldn't be amazed.... PM is a function of many boards so I would have to say, this place is no different...
I just wish I had all this "extra" time like you do to get to all that... You must be one bored person over at Livernois...
Gee... I'll be loosing sleep over that... no supporters... Gee...
Ed
Please tell me where anyone has said anything against this line of thinking?
As usual... you are just rehashing the same things that were said by others in this thread... BFD...
Can you return to the "heads mean nothing" philosophy you a so fond of... At least that was within the topic...
Not to speak for Bret....
There are plenty of people who have "inside" contacts and information. You try to make it appear as if you are the "only one" who knows anything about anything in the racing world...
Guess what???? "You are not the only one"..
so yes, I guess you are correct in your last comment.... you "are" wrong!
...and??? They were asked in public so share them with the public...
No I wouldn't be amazed.... PM is a function of many boards so I would have to say, this place is no different...
I just wish I had all this "extra" time like you do to get to all that... You must be one bored person over at Livernois...
Gee... I'll be loosing sleep over that... no supporters... Gee...
Ed
Originally Posted by MUSTANGEATER
Is there a ******* echo in here or what? Repetition is the key to success but it really doesn't win many arguements or make much sense after the 6th or 7th time, I think most people get tired of hearing the same thing over and over again. For the arguements purpose it doesn't matter a bit who ported the heads if the combination is matched properly.
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this bitching fest has gone on long enough.
Tucunare, Ed, Bret, or anyone else feel free to start another thread to debate technical theories, philosophies, and stories without all this bickering.
Tucunare i'd be intereted in seeing your responses to Jarrods question posted for all the board to read.
and Ed, i'll be sending you a check for another cam soon
