Drew778

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Well, I put the 224/228 in instead of putting my stock cam back in

No other change but the cam, same tune and only 40 miles after cam swap I went to the track.
224/228
1.650 7.518 92.26 11.853 113.07
1.647 7.503 92.59 11.813 113.67
1.713 7.610 92.44 11.946 113.11
MS3
1.652 11.652 @ 114.18
1.629 11.664 @ 114.24
1.619 11.628 @ 114.53

Once I get a better tune to bring the shift points down from 6900 rpms, I'll try again

Atleast the car start right up, idles, and no surging now

4mula

its not that much slower than youre old times.

PREDATOR-Z

Where does the MS3 fit in????

blkZ28spt

I think he took it out to tame the car down. I believe the ~11.62 in his sig (NA) was with the MS3. So thus far he is almost 0.2 behind the MS3, but with better shift points and another trip to the track it might be less.

PREDATOR-Z

Ah soooo!

That supports my claims that big isn't necessarily better.

Scoggin Dickey

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I think with the rest of the mods like a bigger stall/gear setup, and the right suspension goodies to go along with the MS3, bigger would be MUCH better

777

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I agree with both. Bigger is not always better. But bigger requires different stuff to be better. I think I just confused myself by saying this

PREDATOR-Z

you got it right though

blkZ28spt

For one thing, as of now the MS3 was nearly 0.2 quicker, and based on his sig he is only running a 3500 stall converter and stock gears. Change that to a 4000 or so stall speed and 3.73's, then compare the 224/228 to the MS3. I'll bet the MS3 pulls away by even more at that point.

LS1 BU

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I think it is all in the combo. I think the 3500 stall was to small for the magic stick to begin with. If he had a 4000 stall with the magic stick I think the results would be much different.

BTW I have a G5X-3 with a PT4000 stall and I think it is much to small. I think set up for all motor I would need a 4600-4800 stall.

blkZ28spt

It is all in the combo. I installed my MS3 with that same converter (TCI SSF3500), stock 3.23 gears, no pulley and stock LS1 intake. Only made 343 rwhp/348rwtq (unlocked, SAE) and ran 12.21 @ 111 with a previous best of 12.6 @ 106.5. So I only gained 0.4 and 4.5 mph with a giant cam. Hmmmm (note*the tranny was messing up on those runs, had it rebuilt)

Flash forward, I recently had an SLP underdrive pulley and LS6 intake manifold installed, along with restalling the converter to 4000. Made 385rwhp/360rwtq (also unlocked, SAE). You can't tell me that an LS6 intake manifold is normally worth ~32 rwhp, and that is what you get after adding roughly 10rwhp for the pulley. Not to mention the fact that the looser converter might be eating more power.

When I get back to the track, hopefully either this wed or friday, I'll bet I pick up a solid 0.5 that I would have already had if the cam was supported from the beginning.

Drew778

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It's was easier and cheeper to change the cam then to change converter and gears.

The MS3 was a very strong cam, just don't have the time or money anymore

nuzee

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Your "stock cam" sure loped nice, LOL!! Seriously, your previous 224 cam sounded lopier. This one has a very nice chop to it. Congrats on the times!

Drew778

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Thanks, I need to put my FTRA back on and change the shift points, might be down this Wednesday