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07-08-2005, 12:19 AM
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help with cam i dont want to get headers, and wat to stay with the stock mani's and cats, and was wondering would this cam make a little more power than a cheatr cam with only a lid and a cut out?
234/230 .598" int lift .592" ex lift 114 LSA
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214/220 .600/.523 115 LSA
or should i just stay with the cheatr cam since i wont be getting headers or anything
234/230 .598" int lift .592" ex lift 114 LSA
or
214/220 .600/.523 115 LSA
or should i just stay with the cheatr cam since i wont be getting headers or anything
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07-08-2005, 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Y2K SS
just curious... why dont you want to get headers or an intake but want a cam?? It needs to be able to breathe buddy.
07-08-2005, 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by GuitsBoy
any of these cams will likely hurt manners more that headers and intake would. With a good tune it will still be plenty streetable, but dont count on keeping perfect stock streetability.
07-08-2005, 11:15 AM
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It's not the LSA that determines the lope, it's the overlap. You can run a 106LSA cam that is smooth as glass...it's just not going to have much duration, LOL.
With stock manifolds, you need to do 2 things. You need to keep your overlap less than 0 degrees at .050" and you'll need to open the exhaust valve a little earlier than you would running headers to allow the logs enough time to evacuate the spent exhaust.
The 234/230 114LSA cam is a ridiculous choice for stock exhaust. It might make less power than the stock cam.
The 214/220 .600/.523 115 LSA cam is Thunder Racing's Old Man Cam. It's a great cam, but the new CheaTR makes more power.
You can certainly go bigger than the CheaTR and make more power. About the largest cam I could see working well with stock exhaust (but would definitely have some lope to it) would be the following:224/230 .600/.600 116LSA 114ICL (+2)
This would have an intake closing point of 46 degrees ABDC (for a power peak of 6300ish) and overlap of -5 degrees at .050". Exhaust events are identical to the CheaTR. This would be noticably lopier than the CheaTR, but it would make more power, even with manifolds. Not my idea of stealth, but if you were looking for more power, that would be it.
With stock manifolds, you need to do 2 things. You need to keep your overlap less than 0 degrees at .050" and you'll need to open the exhaust valve a little earlier than you would running headers to allow the logs enough time to evacuate the spent exhaust.
The 234/230 114LSA cam is a ridiculous choice for stock exhaust. It might make less power than the stock cam.
The 214/220 .600/.523 115 LSA cam is Thunder Racing's Old Man Cam. It's a great cam, but the new CheaTR makes more power.
You can certainly go bigger than the CheaTR and make more power. About the largest cam I could see working well with stock exhaust (but would definitely have some lope to it) would be the following:224/230 .600/.600 116LSA 114ICL (+2)
This would have an intake closing point of 46 degrees ABDC (for a power peak of 6300ish) and overlap of -5 degrees at .050". Exhaust events are identical to the CheaTR. This would be noticably lopier than the CheaTR, but it would make more power, even with manifolds. Not my idea of stealth, but if you were looking for more power, that would be it.
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07-08-2005, 01:25 PM
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when you say lopier, it wouldnt sound like its got lt's and no cats, just a quiet lope, only notiable if you know what you're looking for? what typest of power would i see with the 224/230 .600/.600 116LSA ?
07-08-2005, 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Hennytime
what typest of power would i see with the 224/230 .600/.600 116LSA ?
Youre not the first person who wanted to add a cam without doing the rest of the supporting mods. Invariably, it never works out the way the individual would have liked. Youll probably either wish you stayed stock or dove in headlong with mods. If you want stock manners and drivability with added power without LTs or intake, look into forced induction or spray. I think a power adder is the only way its gonna happen.
07-08-2005, 02:17 PM
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224/230 .600/.600 116LSA where do they sell the 224/230 .600/.600 116LSA cam, ive looked on Thunder Racing, TSP, and a few others...
07-08-2005, 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by GuitsBoy
While choking it through stock intake / exhaust, honestly in my opinion, its not gonne be worth your time.
Youre not the first person who wanted to add a cam without doing the rest of the supporting mods. Invariably, it never works out the way the individual would have liked. Youll probably either wish you stayed stock or dove in headlong with mods. If you want stock manners and drivability with added power without LTs or intake, look into forced induction or spray. I think a power adder is the only way its gonna happen.
Youre not the first person who wanted to add a cam without doing the rest of the supporting mods. Invariably, it never works out the way the individual would have liked. Youll probably either wish you stayed stock or dove in headlong with mods. If you want stock manners and drivability with added power without LTs or intake, look into forced induction or spray. I think a power adder is the only way its gonna happen.
