It is done on honda engines a lot from what I have read in those kinds of magazines.

 

no honda mags bad idea fandango

 

hooray! my 4.25" stroke 555 spins to 7800, my buddies 4.75" stroke 598 spins to 8600 linky http://www.1320video.com/vids/bumperstand.wmv don't be afraid of expensive bottom end parts and a kick *** oiling system. 90% of the people on here don't spin past 6800 anyways! imagine 700rwhp on a gimpy hydraulic cam! the real problem is going to be intake manifolds, large area short runner sheetmetal intake will almost be a given.

 

What are you talking about?

 

I really like where our performance options are headed. Looks like within a few years we are going to be able to have a limitless source for power.
-Joel

 

So, what was this company's name? ERL?

 

Hey Guys,

A little more info on this for you. As mentioned this process has been used successfully on the Honda engines for quite a while with great success. This engine maxed out is 500ci, but can be made to 475-ish ci being conservative and another option along with the WP block. It is going to be tested by Judson M from SAM and they are thinking 6500-7000RPM range and possibly 1000HP NA. Mallett is also going to put one into a Solstice, talk about crazy. I would think this setup with a mild cam and 10-12 psi could make 1100HP easily on pump gas with the right heads and exhaust.

This, as you can imagine, will use top of the line components and initially available to installers only as a complete shortblock. Darton, Lunati, Crower and Wiseco are handling the components. If a block assembly is available, will still be only a dealer/installer item. End user pricing is to be to in the $10K area for the shortblock. There will be limited dealers/installers and we are setup for the Florida area.

This will raise the deck height to approx 10.2", which is different then the WP tall deck at 9.8". There are spacers for the intake manifold included or custom manifolds will be needed. Hopefully FAST can make a new base to fit this block in the near future that will still use the same mid and top sections. Of course this tall a deck will also cause a location change for headers in being about 1.5-2" wider and 1" taller at the flange. Very interesting for sure.

Later All,

Mike Norris

 

And I thought I had alot of "custom" parts for my 454 LS based motor. It'll deffinatlly be a "deep pockets" set-up.

 

im interested in Judsons results and what kind of actual clearances there are with this setup in a vehicle. doesnt appear that in car head removal will be possible for those running ARP head studs...

 

thats just what i was thinkin lookin at that

and you could not take the motor out the top with this setup

you have to drop the kframe to change valve covers hahaha

honestly this a crazy interesting idea and a whole lotta cubes and would be really fun but i think for an extra 46 cubes(compared to a 454 lsx) it not worth the money and the hastle atleast for a f-body car...i would more likly put it in a project 3rdgen or along those lines

 

thats a shitload of stroke

 

Just so you all know, this system has been very well designed and has been tested via computer modeling. I know the people behind this project, they are very reputable and do impeccable work, and it is being tested in the real world as well by Judsen at S.A.M., he is in the process of putting together a 500ci version that will be N/A and should produce as much as 900HP naturally aspirated. There is also another company that will be testing this system boosted and are shooting for over 1500HP. I don't know about you guys, but if the system works in those applications, it can take street duty just fine...also for you tech gurus, all tolerances are being held to .0002" anywhere on the block.

-Bryan

 

Ha, no way Judson is only going to spin that to 7000rpm Unless he runs out of cylinder head -- of course that may not stop him either.

 

i'll believe when i see it. and i've seen some of ERL's "impeccable" work, i hope its the same crew working on this project as i wouldnt let them go near my motor, let alone a project of this magnitude.

i assume judsons car is going to be strictly a race app? computer modeling can only go so far, i want to see the actual clearances in car and the ablility to do any work on the motor; head changes, plug swaps, ect. what are they using to keep the deck down and sealed beyond just a cometic?

here's deck plate done by Steve Demirjian from Race Engine Development



"The plate is screwed down to the block with 1/4 inch allen screws. The plate is also held in place by dowels at every head bolt hole. The dowels keep the plate from spreading out, the screws keep it solidly to the block to prevent leaks. I use a copper gasket under the plate along with special 3M metal sealing compound " - Steve

i'd opt for an MID or WP block for a build up over this. im curious what there retail price is going too be and how much of a market there is going to be.