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Phil99vette Dec 30, 2005 09:06 PM

Jesel's finally, ET solid roller pushrod length ect...
 
After waiting almost 2 months for Jesel and rockers I said enough was enough. Called a couple of my old buddies and sure enough Brian had a set of Jesel J2k rockers that he had purchased to use on his C5. Called Brian on his cell phone wednesday night and told him to ship them over, 2 days later they were at my front door. Brian you are the man!

We mocked the setup up tonight and with the adjusters about centered in the adjustement range the pushrod length came to 7.855 which we will round to 7.850.

http://home.comcast.net/~pthomas1077/PC290043.JPG

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http://home.comcast.net/~pthomas1077/PC290046.JPG

DavidNJ Dec 30, 2005 09:13 PM

A thing of beauty...is your wife jealous?

A few questions:
  1. Which lobes did you use?
  2. What valve springs did you use?
  3. What rocker ratio(s) did you use?
  4. What intake did you use?
Thanks,

David

Phil99vette Dec 30, 2005 09:22 PM

A few questions:[list=1][*]Which lobes did you use?
Comp Solid
[*]What valve springs did you use?
PSI Solid, thinkin #1224
[*]What rocker ratio(s) did you use?
1.70, ~.650 lift
[*]What intake did you use?
Fast heavily ported

BTW, These heads are 225cc not the 240 solid roller for the 6 speed shop car.
Phil

Beast96Z Dec 30, 2005 10:09 PM

Are those gunna clear the stock valve covers, or did you get spacers. I remeber you talking about spacers before. Looks very nice. I have the lightened Mohawk series in the mail right now.:)

gun5l1ng3r Dec 30, 2005 11:14 PM

So is the increased pushrod length caused by a shorter solid lifter?

Cary@Perf-Induction Dec 30, 2005 11:18 PM

rockers
 
Phil,

Same here, Maybe you can get me in touch with Brian,

We have about 8 sets of non adjustable rockers here now. Kinda sucks when we ordered 10 sets of adjustables. Also ordered a set of jesel lifters, .180 offset. Those got here right away, although they were striaght up on center. These are the kind of problems we've been dealing with for the last six months.

Good luck, I cant wait to see how it dynos.

cary

Beast96Z Dec 31, 2005 01:05 AM


Originally Posted by gun5l1ng3r
So is the increased pushrod length caused by a shorter solid lifter?

I'm not sure how many things contribute to the longer PR, but I know the longer valves are one of them. I wonder why there is such a variance between PR legnths? I saw another guy who used 8.100's in his ET headed application. Phil, have you mocked up your 240's to see what there gunna need legnth wise?
After looking at those pictures again, it looks like they have alot more meat in the PR area, so that could contribute to why yours are shorter than someones with stock rockers.

DavidNJ Dec 31, 2005 03:23 AM


Originally Posted by Phil99vette
A few questions:[list=1][*]Which lobes did you use?
Comp Solid
[*]What valve springs did you use?
PSI Solid, thinkin #1224
[*]What rocker ratio(s) did you use?
1.70, ~.650 lift
[*]What intake did you use?
Fast heavily ported

BTW, These heads are 225cc not the 240 solid roller for the 6 speed shop car.
Phil

Thanks,

Which profile lobe?

PSI DR1224? 1,625" diameter, 2" tall, 275# on the seat, 750# over the nose (675# at .650 lift)? Does a 1.625: spring fit? Wouldn't that be a little stiff for a .650" lift?

David

eallanboggs Dec 31, 2005 05:10 AM

Damn if my rocker looked that good I'd have to install plexiglas rocker covers and a minicam w/monitor just so I could watch my rockers pivot as a drove down the highway. It must be a hurtin feelin bolting on the rocker cover over those beautiful Jesels knowing that no one will ever get to see them again. I couldn't tell from you photos, but are the rockers in pairs? If so, why don't they just make one long shaft to cover the entire pedestal on the heads instead of using 4 pairs per side?

Phil99vette Dec 31, 2005 08:27 AM


Originally Posted by Beast96Z
Are those gunna clear the stock valve covers, or did you get spacers. I remeber you talking about spacers before. Looks very nice. I have the lightened Mohawk series in the mail right now.:)

I have a set of .500 spacers and its gonna be very very close. I think we're just going to cut out some aluminum and fab up some valve covers this weekend.
Phil

Phil99vette Dec 31, 2005 08:28 AM


Originally Posted by gun5l1ng3r
So is the increased pushrod length caused by a shorter solid lifter?

No, they are 11 degree heads and when you rotate the valve the pushrod needs to be longer to maintain correct valvetrain geometry.
Phil

Phil99vette Dec 31, 2005 08:29 AM


Originally Posted by eallanboggs
Damn if my rocker looked that good I'd have to install plexiglas rocker covers and a minicam w/monitor just so I could watch my rockers pivot as a drove down the highway. It must be a hurtin feelin bolting on the rocker cover over those beautiful Jesels knowing that no one will ever get to see them again. I couldn't tell from you photos, but are the rockers in pairs? If so, why don't they just make one long shaft to cover the entire pedestal on the heads instead of using 4 pairs per side?

You wouldn't be able to install them, due to the high spring pressures associated with solid roller valve trains you would break the shafts/trutions<sp>.
Phil

Phil99vette Dec 31, 2005 08:32 AM


Originally Posted by DavidNJ
Thanks,

Which profile lobe?

PSI DR1224? 1,625" diameter, 2" tall, 275# on the seat, 750# over the nose (675# at .650 lift)? Does a 1.625: spring fit? Wouldn't that be a little stiff for a .650" lift?

David

David,
1.625 springs fit into the enlarged spring pockets.
http://home.comcast.net/~prostreetmo...icture_001.jpg
Phil

DavidNJ Dec 31, 2005 10:59 AM

Which brings back the question: which lobe? 275# on the seat would support a pretty aggresive lobe, especially with a small 2.10 valve.

CAT3 Dec 31, 2005 11:39 AM


Originally Posted by Beast96Z
I'm not sure how many things contribute to the longer PR, but I know the longer valves are one of them. I wonder why there is such a variance between PR legnths? I saw another guy who used 8.100's in his ET headed application. Phil, have you mocked up your 240's to see what there gunna need legnth wise?
After looking at those pictures again, it looks like they have alot more meat in the PR area, so that could contribute to why yours are shorter than someones with stock rockers.


That was my setup, using ETP 11* heads, Stock Rockers with ETP Stock Rocker Stands, Morel lifters, no milling and a .040" Cometic. Next time I'll go SR, since Phil is motivating me :)

Phil99vette Dec 31, 2005 12:09 PM


Originally Posted by Beast96Z
I'm not sure how many things contribute to the longer PR, but I know the longer valves are one of them. I wonder why there is such a variance between PR legnths? I saw another guy who used 8.100's in his ET headed application. Phil, have you mocked up your 240's to see what there gunna need legnth wise?
After looking at those pictures again, it looks like they have alot more meat in the PR area, so that could contribute to why yours are shorter than someones with stock rockers.

ET 240cc heads
Jesel J2k Adjustable rockers
Lunati Solid lifters
Final Pushrod Length: 7.850

Tonight we're going to mock up:
ET 225cc heads
Stock Rockers
Comp Cams R lifters
Final Pushrod length:TBD

CAT3 Dec 31, 2005 05:34 PM

Phil, make sure to either post or pm the results of the hyd. lifter setup. I am hoping you come out close to 8.100"...just for my own POM :)

LASTLS1 Dec 31, 2005 07:28 PM


Originally Posted by Phil99vette
I have a set of .500 spacers and its gonna be very very close. I think we're just going to cut out some aluminum and fab up some valve covers this weekend.
Phil

I have two sets of valves covers that will fit if you need them. Andy.

racecar Jan 2, 2006 02:21 PM

That's some monster spring pressure, what RPM are you planning on running this motor ?

LS1 BU Jan 2, 2006 02:28 PM

Those look so pretty, I don't know if I would put them on a motor.


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