Aftermarket Rod Bolts
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Aftermarket Rod Bolts For months now I have been reading and hearing that the stock rod bolts are the weakest point in the LS1 motor and therefore the limiting factor on how much power you should make reliably and the limiting factor on how hard you can turn the motor.
So being that my plans include a healthy heads and cam package with nitrous, I checked into changing the rod bolts. However,............. I was told by several companies that I called MTI, HPE, Lingenfelter & others that I should never just change rod bolts. The rods need to be re-conditioned for it. Only 1 company and I will not name them since they are a sponsor said "sure why not?"
Well, I logically figure it was stupid to disassemble a motor that far and not just rebuild it, which is something I'm trying to avoid because I want a stroker later on. So I dropped the idea.
Well last week a local friend of mine brought up changing rodbolts and I told him why I was not going to get into, that I just wouldn't turn the car hard. His immediate reply was "go look at what Katech's website says". http://www.katechengines.com/street_...etail.php?id=5
I did, and from what they say, its no big deal with the bolts they sell. Its a simple R&R, torque to 50ft/lb and your done.
What is your input? Has anyone done the swap with Katech rod bolts and nothing else?
Thanks,
Jeff
So being that my plans include a healthy heads and cam package with nitrous, I checked into changing the rod bolts. However,............. I was told by several companies that I called MTI, HPE, Lingenfelter & others that I should never just change rod bolts. The rods need to be re-conditioned for it. Only 1 company and I will not name them since they are a sponsor said "sure why not?"
Well, I logically figure it was stupid to disassemble a motor that far and not just rebuild it, which is something I'm trying to avoid because I want a stroker later on. So I dropped the idea.
Well last week a local friend of mine brought up changing rodbolts and I told him why I was not going to get into, that I just wouldn't turn the car hard. His immediate reply was "go look at what Katech's website says". http://www.katechengines.com/street_...etail.php?id=5
I did, and from what they say, its no big deal with the bolts they sell. Its a simple R&R, torque to 50ft/lb and your done.
What is your input? Has anyone done the swap with Katech rod bolts and nothing else?
Thanks,
Jeff
i did some research on this a while back and disovered that the katech bolts are the way to go simply because it is just a R@R.They are the same head design as the stock rod bolts so they wont cause any distortion on the cap.When i do mine im going with the katech.
Originally Posted by redtail2426
i did some research on this a while back and disovered that the katech bolts are the way to go simply because it is just a R@R.They are the same head design as the stock rod bolts so they wont cause any distortion on the cap.When i do mine im going with the katech.
I have Katechs sitting in my room...heard theyre the only direct replacement. Thread Starter
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Originally Posted by redtail2426
i did some research on this a while back and disovered that the katech bolts are the way to go simply because it is just a R@R.They are the same head design as the stock rod bolts so they wont cause any distortion on the cap.When i do mine im going with the katech.
I understand what your saying, and it makes perfect sense, but I just wonder why so many reputable shops said no.?????
I guess to feel comfortable with this I would need someone to explain to me "You can do it with this rod bolt because.... and you can't do it with this rod bolt because....". I guess I'm looking for some logic.
Most people use arp rod bolts, that's why the company's said don't do it. Katech went through and developed their bolt to stock like dimension, but with a crazy tensile strength. They are the only ones I know of that you can safely do an R&R with. Some do it with arp's but I wouldn't recomend it. Either way it's nice to check clearances to know, but you shouldn't have to with katech. I'm sure he will chime in sooner or later.
Here is a thread I searched for you https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthrea...ghlight=katech
Here is a thread I searched for you https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthrea...ghlight=katech
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When I blew my previous shortblock on my Z with low miles on it (rod bolt failure), I replaced the ones on the used 03 shortblock I got (super low miles from wrecked GTO/Lumina). I used Katech bolts and since then I've shot up to 200 dry many, many times to 6800 rpms both street and track with no issues or worries.
Katech is the way to go.
Katech is the way to go.
Originally Posted by FRDnemesis
I understand what your saying, and it makes perfect sense, but I just wonder why so many reputable shops said no.?????
I guess to feel comfortable with this I would need someone to explain to me "You can do it with this rod bolt because.... and you can't do it with this rod bolt because....". I guess I'm looking for some logic.
I guess to feel comfortable with this I would need someone to explain to me "You can do it with this rod bolt because.... and you can't do it with this rod bolt because....". I guess I'm looking for some logic.
the cracked cap design holds the rod half in the exact same place it was in when it wore in for those 1000s of miles... and because those bolts are designed to distort the cap in a fashion identical to the st ockers.
you cant do it with conventional rods because......
they have a flat machined cap surface that will move around slightly every time you untorque and retorque them... and because 99% of the time you have no way of knowing the exact distortion caused by bolt XYZ when replacing it with bolt ABC in the rod...
its only because your rod bolt distortion stress is known, tested, and retested, and then duplicated...... and because of the cracked cap design that you can do this safely.
although, im probably not the person you want to hear the answer from.
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I guess that answers my concerns as best possible especially with other guys in this post that did the swap already and have turned them HARD!!!
Now the question is, How? How is the best way to do it with the engine still in. How can I suspend the motor from the top?
Thanks everyone! You too Travis!!
Now the question is, How? How is the best way to do it with the engine still in. How can I suspend the motor from the top?
Thanks everyone! You too Travis!!
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Originally Posted by FRDnemesis
Now the question is, How? How is the best way to do it with the engine still in. How can I suspend the motor from the top?
It worked for me and we have done a few of these.
Oh and you will be amazed at how easy it is to get the oil pump pickup tube and O ring this way.
Originally Posted by Z28LS1camaroguy
where can you get the katech rod bolts, i went to there site and cant find them. do you have to custom order them??
Ahhh! I hate to see posts like this. Call me directly for any questions. Phone number and website are in the sig.
Originally Posted by Z28LS1camaroguy
sorry man but i couldnt find it on your website, thats what this site is for to help point people in the right direction and help them find what they need.
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Originally Posted by Katech
Yea, I'm not saying its you. It's our marketing problem I guess you could say. Well, that is why I'm here on LS1tech.
Jason,
I'll be giving you a call to pick up some of these bolts. Thanks for stopping in.
Jeff
